Expansion Pack: Civs that MUST be included

[potoroo]

Originally posted by srholmes
We could add some new ones though: Britons, Phoenicians, Oltecs, Carthaginians maybe....?

I think it's just silly trying to be too prescriptive about these things. Since the start game defaults to 4000BC why not restrict it to those civs around then - Egypt, China and India? The ancient Britons might have built Stonehenge around that time but since the very definition of civilisation is a culture that builds cities (coming from the same Latin root for civic and civil, to be civilised means literally "to be of the city"), they wouldn't qualify. They subsequently had their arses kicked by the Romans, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings and never really left much of a mark on history.

Stepping back from the silliness a bit, I'd prefer the Phoenicians to the Carthaginians since Carthage itself was a Phoenician colony. The Carthaginians of course went on to found many colonies in Iberia, hence the question mark over whether the "Spanish" would qualify under the 2,000 year "rule".

I think the key criteria for adding any civilisation to the game is whether or not they'd add something distinctive. In this light the Byzantines, although fundamentally a Greek culture, would qualify. Their Golden Age was in our Middle ages and their unique units, like the cataphract, are quite different to the phalangite. Other historically interesting civilisations would include the Vikings (unique units the beserker and the longship), and the Ottomans (unique unit the janissary).

[Alexander I]

But potoroo, do you think Firaxis is going to follow this policy?
(Have they ever?) After all, it's not really our call who gets in, I just think it's interesting to speculate.

[potoroo]

Originally posted by Alexander01
But potoroo, do you think Firaxis is going to follow this policy?
(Have they ever?) After all, it's not really our call who gets in, I just think it's interesting to speculate.

Of course it's interesting to speculate. It also gets one's post count up.

I think in general they do. The more interesting and distinctive the civs then presumably the more interesting the game and the more copies of it they'll sell. I would add though that they could increase both factors by increasing the number of unique units for each civ as well as by adding more, interesting civs.

Of course, what is interesting can be somewhat subjective. Ensemble Studios made the Koreans ridiculously powerful in Age of Empires/Kings because of the large tournament market in South Korea, not because it was historically accurate.

[Luigi de Mérida]

EXTREMADURA MUST BE A CIVILIZATION


The famousest Spanish conquerors were from Extremadura (Cortés, Pizarro, Núñez de Balboa, Orellana...)

Their leader must be Cortés or Pizarro

Conquistador is the UU of Extremadura


For Spain must be the TERCIO (As Pikerman):


Or the SPANISH LEGION (As Infantery):

[LordShiva]

That's a joke, right?

[potoroo]

Originally posted by LordShiva
That's a joke, right?

NO!!!

[Chronus9]

In Civ 3 we had a Conquistador unit with his war/hunting dog. Now we have a picture of a Conquistador with his faithful war/hunting . . . sheep?

[Luigi de Mérida]

Originally posted by Chronus9


In Civ 3 we had a Conquistador unit with his war/hunting dog. Now we have a picture of a Conquistador with his faithful war/hunting . . . sheep?

The Spanish Legion has a pet who is "Blanquita", the goat

[Luigi de Mérida]

Originally posted by potoroo

NO!!!

ESTRICTILY NO!!!!!!

[LordShiva]

Cute... The kiddies have figured out font sizes and colours!

[Backside]

Banana FTW!

[Urban Ranger]

Are they really going to add more civs now that we can create our own at will?

[potoroo]

Originally posted by LordShiva Cute... The kiddies have figured out font sizes and colours!

I do hope you realise that such comments may act as a spur.

Originally posted by Urban Ranger Are they really going to add more civs now that we can create our own at will?

I hope so. We're not all graphics gurus and the like nor do "we" necessarily have the time and resources to devote to balance testing and what have you.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by potoroo
We're not all graphics gurus and the like nor do "we" necessarily have the time and resources to devote to balance testing and what have you.

You don't have to be. You can "hijack" an existing civ. If you can do graphics you get better results, but the lack of new ones does not make a new civ not functional.

[Backside]

We'll need new official civs so we can use them in normal MP games.