Things that made you go WTF?

[RobC]

Originally posted by Rusty_1
holyy shi-tt u guyz need to try out the tutorial, LOLZZ, sid appears on the left side of the screen, and after a while if u dont move ur mouse or dont hit the "continue" button , sid's head will shrink to very very small. that was some funny ****t!! u guyz need to c it for urself tho, its not that funny until u c it for urself.


Rusty_1

Do you have a screenshot?

[yaosio]

You can vote on a "ban nukes" resolution in the UN before discovering nukes.

[beeper917]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this but...Pyramids giving all Civics of a particular category (I forget which)

Unversal Sufferage doesn't make me think of the Pyramids.

[spy14]

You can build an aircraft carrier before you discover flight, a la Civ 3.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by spy14
You can build an aircraft carrier before you discover flight, a la Civ 3.

Wow, I haven't got that far in the game yet. Reading this certainly made me go wtf.

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by spy14
You can build an aircraft carrier before you discover flight, a la Civ 3.

I could swear carriers and fighters are bundled in the same tech, Flight.

[Hobelhouse]

Originally posted by MrFun


I think the difference is that too many Americans still deny our own country's history of imperialism, while most Europeans seem to have acknowledged their history of imperialism.

I know we've been imperialistic. But, as empires went, it was a small one and we let go of it before the Europeans let go of theirs. Which is why I find it ironic for a European to call us fascist imperialists.

[Falconius]

When helicopters (gunships) attack across a river, they get the same river crossing penalty as ground units. Why? They're not wading through water, they're flying!

Also, they can't move across (non-river) water spaces, not even lakes that are one tile in size and they can't fly over mountains.

[Amarsir]

american imperialism around the time mt. rushmore was built wasnt very far from fascism. something like - america has a god-given right to civilize and ruler the lesser peoples of the earth yaddayaddayadda...

Yeah, Manifest Destiny. Not one of America's greatest contributions, but the problem with what you're saying is that imperialism and fascism aren't even close to the same thing.

Fascism is government taking control of a business that would normally be handled by private individuals. That is most certainly not describing late 1930s USA, from any conceivable perspective. And Mt. Rushmore would be even less of an example, since the sculpting was paid for with private donations.

If some guy had been running the Mt. Rushmore Taco Stand, and the government decided to take it over and control the taco industry, then it would be fascism. Pretty sure that's not what happened. Thus yeah, Rushmore coming after fascism was a little bit WTF for me too. About that time however, certain parts of Europe was demonstrating fascism in full force. (And other parts were surrendering to it. ) So, considering that it is ultimately a timeline thing, I suppose I'm ok with it.

Definitely though, biggest WTF was realizing how much gunboats are treated like land units. Also, opponents seem to be more interested in my world map relative to how much exploring I've done. Which is fine, except, how would they know?

[Skanky Burns]

I thought state control of business was communism?
I suppose thats for another thread though.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by astreeter
Uranium and oil resources appear way before you can actually do anything with them. Also a couple of times a rival empire that was way behind - not even in the industrial age yet - wanted to trade me their cows for my uranium.

The resource issue may be talked away by the fact that maybe your people just need time with the new resources to figure out something to do with them

And as far as the trade goes... you never know what trades would truely benefit the countries in the trade: I mean IIRC Cuba was getting oil from the Soviet Union and in return gave sugar to the USSR.

[bucephalus12]

Originally posted by LzPrst
american imperialism around the time mt. rushmore was built wasnt very far from fascism.

something like - america has a god-given right to civilize and ruler the lesser peoples of the earth yaddayaddayadda...

hey! thats contemporary american foreign policy too

Seems to me to "civilize and rule the lesser peoples of the earth" was the Nordic (Viking) policy once upon a time.

I, for one, am tired of hearing people bashing America. People seem to forget America was attacked on 9/11 without warning and without provocation. We didn't ask for war nor did we seek it. The world changed that day like it or not. Should America sit back and wait for the next attack or go on the offensive? I think the best defense is a good offense.

It's funny, during World war II, Europe wasn't worried about American "Imperialist" ambitions when it came calling for American aid. America fought against Facism and it's Imperialistic ambitions. After the war was won did America lay claim to those lands which she helped to liberate? No. She did help the citizens in war torn lands such as Germany and Japan get their lives back and develope a representative system of goverment. These countries have grown and prospered to this very day and they are under their own - not America's rule.

[kobo1d]

Also the speech for Construction is

"And on the pedestal these words appear: 'My name is Ozymandias, King of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and dispair!' Nothing beside remains."

but the speech doesn't say the "Nothing beside remains" bit.

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed,
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

I just had to memorize and recite this @!#(% for English class.

[ElConejo]

Originally posted by bucephalus12


Seems to me to "civilize and rule the lesser peoples of the earth" was the Nordic (Viking) policy once upon a time.

I, for one, am tired of hearing people bashing America. People seem to forget America was attacked on 9/11 without warning and without provocation. We didn't ask for war nor did we seek it. The world changed that day like it or not. Should America sit back and wait for the next attack or go on the offensive? I think the best defense is a good offense.

It's funny, during World war II, Europe wasn't worried about American "Imperialist" ambitions when it came calling for American aid. America fought against Facism and it's Imperialistic ambitions. After the war was won did America lay claim to those lands which she helped to liberate? No. She did help the citizens in war torn lands such as Germany and Japan get their lives back and develope a representative system of goverment. These countries have grown and prospered to this very day and they are under their own - not America's rule.

I believe what is meant by "civilize and rule the lessers of earth" is not simply a nordic isolated issue. It comes from the ideas such as the Japanese Yamato movement (in which they believed they should rule all of the pacific) and the very Western ideologies that justified conquering lands and administering to the indigenous because of the idea of 'we are more civilized then them'. This occured all over as a result: in the middle east, asia, africa, and the americas. And as much as I would hate it, this philosophy has been recieved in many of the United States' polices since her inception.

As for 9/11 we (in the US) were indeed warned. There were reports done on Osma's plans for the US, we had the information on alot of these networks yet did nothing until now. And as far as not provoking anyone into doing this, I am sorry but perhaps you should read some things on US policy in the Middle East and read up on the things that have brought the Middle East to where it is today and judge THEN if the US had not properly acquired it's hatred from the area. Wars and polices to the Middle East such as the ones fought today by couragous men and women in the US Military are only going to deepen the hatred from people in the area.

A very good book I suggest for all to read is "The Modern Middle East: A political history since the First World War" by Mehran Kamrava. Its a very good read and can deepen the understanding of the region further from the "Us and Them" sentiment that has taken hold as of late.

EDIT: Here by it on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520241509/002-6685159-3763239?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

[Byelotsar]

We were never Imperialist! We were on vacation!!

Yeah, so: anyway.

The gunships have a lot of very strange traits. Having one of my armies report that it'd take like nine turns to go about thirty-five tiles on my railroad system caused a definite reaction. Upon closer examination, I realized that gunships don't benefit from your transportation infrastructure. While there can be an argument made for this, I say just pack the choppers on the back of a train and send it on! I wound up having to deploy the rest of my army, with the gunships slowly catching up. If I'd run into serious armored resistance, I'd've been toast.

The disappearance of the actual seven wonders of the ancient world. Only a few remain. It took until C3C to actually get all of them in the game - and then they get taken right out again? WTF?

The persistence of the "X has won a Y-type victory!!!!" banner which sticks around if you decide to keep playing after somebody wins. I don't need that there. Honest. Why in god's name was this included?

The game defaulting to your computer name for your leader name in a Custom Game. I want to use the leader's name. I always have. I probably always will. I don't need to be BYZANTIUM of the Indians, thanks. As it was presumably added for MP purposes, maybe it should be that way... only in MP games?

The Internet being the Great Library of older civs. By the time you can build it, there aren't many techs left to discover.