Not many women...

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

So she wasn't Queen, but she led armies, which may be seen as more important to some players here.

So should General Patton represent the US?

Come on... it's silly. Female are in the game where they were leaders. Egypt, England, Russia, Spain. Who are you really going to put for the US? No woman has been President! France has the same problem. Ditto for Germany (unless you think Merkel deserves the honor ), and on and on.

Fact of the matter is that most civilizations have been dominated by men. It isn't putting down women, it's the simple truth. We don't need a PC inclusion of women into the leadership roles.

Sensible female choices have been added in the game: Victoria and Elizabeth for the English, Catherine for Russia, Hashepsut for Egypt, Isabella for Spain.

Hear hear!

[rumpo kid]

Sniff, Sniff what's this I can smell? Is this the tang of affronted testosterone assailing my nostrils from the vast majority of responses? A recurring theme of which seems to be "girls don't play games". I can't say that I'm at all suprised.

Steve

[ashbery]

I'm pissed that England once again only has women leaders.

[rumpo kid]

C'mon Ashbury. You know that as far as matters sexual the rest of the world view the English as a little odd.

Steve

[Makahlua]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
Perhaps part of the reason more women don't play games that aren't obviously targeted to pubsecent males; games like CIV that COULD be more appealing to female audiences...

... is the attitude male gamers take whenever anything in this subject is brought up.

I'm not saying the "leader" thing is a valid point - I'm not sure I agree it is - but when you expect there to be no female gamers, consider whether or not you are ensuring a self-fulfilling prophecy.

QFT. Luckily, I'm an odd girl and play 'em anyway ... probably -because- people go 'Eww, icky, girl cooties! Run away!'

[rumpo kid]

Steve

[archermoo]

Originally posted by rumpo kid
Sniff, Sniff what's this I can smell? Is this the tang of affronted testosterone assailing my nostrils from the vast majority of responses? A recurring theme of which seems to be "girls don't play games". I can't say that I'm at all suprised.

Steve

Huh, most of the posts I've read have been "Well, since this is a pseudo-historical game, and there have historically been few females who have led nations, it makes sense that there are few female leaders in the game" type posts. Are we reading the same thread?

[rumpo kid]

Reread my post Gary, it says recurring not most

Steve

[Mace]

recurring, not most. lol... nice save

[rumpo kid]

Actually Gary I've just gone over the thread and I'm embarassed to say I'm quite wrong. Only one post actually says anything like that (not recurring at all). By Gum! We're very nearly growing up. I stand by my affronted testosterone crack though.

Acknowledging Archermoo's superior counting skills.

Steve

[Shaka II]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

So she wasn't Queen, but she led armies, which may be seen as more important to some players here.

So should General Patton represent the US?

Come on... it's silly. Female are in the game where they were leaders. Egypt, England, Russia, Spain. Who are you really going to put for the US? No woman has been President! France has the same problem. Ditto for Germany (unless you think Merkel deserves the honor ), and on and on.

Fact of the matter is that most civilizations have been dominated by men. It isn't putting down women, it's the simple truth. We don't need a PC inclusion of women into the leadership roles.

Sensible female choices have been added in the game: Victoria and Elizabeth for the English, Catherine for Russia, Hashepsut for Egypt, Isabella for Spain.

That's a decent representation of female leaders. Not asking for a representation of nonhistorical leaders, but I think it might be OK in a few instances to have some that haven't been presidents, Kings, etc. Sure, call it politically correct if you want. But also to accommodate our hopefully growing female Civ constituency.

I would have thought that Joan of Arc would be "grandfathered" into the game, and Cleoopatra too, but sometimes you need product differentiation.

So, who do we have for France now, Napoleon? I open the box tomorrow, Haven't peeked.

[Scrapper82]

Babette leaders have been far and few between though.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think it might be OK in a few instances to have some that haven't been presidents, Kings, etc.

Ehh... I've always frowned on that. Only have Civ leaders who were actually leaders of the nation/country, not some underling.

And, of course, Egypt doesn't need a woman leader for diversity, since it already has one.

And I'd MUCH rather prefer Napoleon and Louis XIV as France's leader over Joan.

[FireWalkWithMe]

I have to say i'm not suprised, either, at these people posting "zzz" posts and how stupid this post is. Bunch of guys with c**k in mouth disease. A person doesn't have to be president to be a great leader...prime minister...monarch...etc

More women should definately be represented. BUT I do conciede the target audience is mostly men...albeit men who could do with a month holiday at a feminist butch lesbian retreat.

[Imran Siddiqui]

A person doesn't have to be president to be a great leader...prime minister...monarch...etc

To be the leader of a Civ? Your damn right they have to be!