Not many women...

[archermoo]

Originally posted by rumpo kid
Actually Gary I've just gone over the thread and I'm embarassed to say I'm quite wrong. Only one post actually says anything like that (not recurring at all). By Gum! We're very nearly growing up. I stand by my affronted testosterone crack though.

Acknowledging Archermoo's superior counting skills.

Steve

*bows*

I just calls 'em as I sees 'em.

And with the affronted testosterone part, are you just standing by that part, or the part where you say it is present in the "vast majority of responses"? 'Cause while I agree that it has been present in a post or two, I certainly wouldn't agree that the vast majority of posts have had it.

My only problem with the gender split in the game is that England should have at least 1 male leader available. The overwhelming majority of rulers of England have been male, so it would make sense if at least one of the ones in the game was too. Personally I make my leader choice based on their traits, not their gender...

[Verenti]

The OP idea is like a corrupted version of Affirmitive Action: It's like saying "Let's get more women to fill quotas, Not because they're qualified to fill the posistion."

It was so stupid to have Joan of Arc over say... Napoleon as Napoleon was 1) Accually the leader of the Country, 2) Was a symbol of French Nationalism (Okay, Joan gets this one too) and 3) Accually brought the contry to Unparrelled heights (in French History)

Leaders should be added because they were an iconic repersentation of the country, not because they were a prominent female in the country. It should be about Merit not Gender.

[Boris Godunov]

The inclusion of Joan of Arc was perhaps the worst civ leader pick ever (And despite what someone earlier implied, she was only in Civ3, not any other). If you want a female French leader, go with one who actually had some power, like Catherine de Medici.

[Kingof the Apes]

I think this is a good idea, but also each civ should have some minority leaders as well. Saladin, as a Kurd, is on the right track, but we should also have leaders from Northern Ireland (England), Tibet (China), etc. Martin Luther King, anyone?

[Inverse Icarus]

Re: Not many women...

Originally posted by upjoa
So, I know this might be a silly thing to get upset about, but I hate the fact that they don't have more female leaders. Every civilization should have a male and female option. Can't they use historical women as leaders, like Susan B. Anthony for America? On top of it they removed Joan of Arc. Come on! I'm sure they could dig up some women!

Niether of those women led their countries.

[Mart]

Better solution would be a customizable leader, whose facial elements would be assembled, so it would look very differently based on what kind of image player wants.

Personality, sex would be also defineable by a player. Many combinations available then. Washington with beard or without, etc. Man, woman, alien, whatever...

[mattcj]

Cmon... couldn't you just see Hilary Clinton as the American leader with slick Willy in the background messing around with an intern or 2 or 6!!

[Qwertqwert]

Originally posted by LordShiva


Right hands don't count

LOL

But I use my left hand, do those count?

[MrFun]

Why haven't any Martians been included as leaders of nations in Civ 4?

[Malleus Dei]

Firaxis needs to add a leader gender option where the player can select either historical (dominantly male) leaders or fantasy (male and female 50/50) leaders. It wouldn't be that hard to do and that way everyone could be happy...well, maybe not the hard-core feminists, who would want *all* of the leaders to be female, but what the heck.

[Malleus Dei]

Originally posted by MrFun
Why haven't any Martians been included as leaders of nations in Civ 4?

Wait for the mods.

Coming soon to Civ 4: MARS ATTACKS!

[Malleus Dei]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
Perhaps part of the reason more women don't play games that aren't obviously targeted to pubsecent males; games like CIV that COULD be more appealing to female audiences...

... is the attitude male gamers take whenever anything in this subject is brought up.

My wife is a female gamer, and a darned good one, and she is totally opposed to adding ahistorical female leaders to games for reasons of political correctness.

Of course, that may be because she's a historian...

[Pyrodrew]

Some people are badly confusing Super Citizens/Great People with Civ Rulers/Leaders.

Sure, call it politically correct if you want. But also to accommodate our hopefully growing female Civ constituency.

How do you know most (potential) female Civ players want PC fake rulers? PC based on speculations? Malleus Dei's wife doesn't need to make a thread since she's content/happy with the game. All the female gamers I know don't care whether they play a male or female because... it's just a game.

Firaxis needs to add a leader gender option where the player can select either historical (dominantly male) leaders or fantasy (male and female 50/50) leaders.

My wife is a female gamer, and a darned good one, and she is totally opposed to adding ahistorical female leaders to games for reasons of political correctness.

I agree with your wife/historian, not the "needs to" PC police. If a player wants MARS ATTACKS by replacing America with Martians they can mod the game... if they want Rosa Parks as a ruler of America they can mod the game.

[snuggs]

I could have fancied a male figurehead for England too. There are quite enough female leaders already.

[Arnelos]

They've almost certainly put in more female leaders than is historically warranted already.

This business of trying to rewrite history to pretend that things were once as equitable as we now desire them to be is rather silly.