Not many women...

[Japher]

It's just that JM knows more girls than guys... and they're all geeks

[Jon Miller]

no

I said that more girls play Civ then other strategy games..

because they hardly play the other strategy games.. but I know a few that play civ

I know way more guys that play civ

JM

[laces_out]

I think it would be pretty funny to have Susan B. Anthony threatening to nuke you. So what other women should have been in there? Maria Teresa could have been a German ruler. Maybe Eva Peron could lead the Incas?

[LordShiva]

[Killazer]

I dont know but Hatshepsut is 1 hot momma I almost gotta agree with anything she says lol....

[Fried-Psitalon]

Perhaps part of the reason more women don't play games that aren't obviously targeted to pubsecent males; games like CIV that COULD be more appealing to female audiences...

... is the attitude male gamers take whenever anything in this subject is brought up.

I'm not saying the "leader" thing is a valid point - I'm not sure I agree it is - but when you expect there to be no female gamers, consider whether or not you are ensuring a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[polarnomad]

Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon
games like CIV that COULD be more appealing to female audiences...

... is the attitude male gamers take whenever anything in this subject is brought up.

...consider whether or not you are ensuring a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I couldn't agree more.

Besides, if people want more women leaders in Civ then what's the big deal? Just add some. Everybody likes to associate with the leader they choose. It's more immersive. It's unfortunate that many civilizations have been under the reign of patriarchy, but then again many powerful women have ruled in the background or contributed tremendously in some way or another, and they could very well be included.

Why the backlash at the posting of this thread, is beyond me... and furthermore to step all over a new person just because he/she isn't aware this has been discussed before is a little lame too IMHO.

[Skoll]

Mod

I agree there should be have been more women leaders out of the box.

Changing one leader's still photo, name, and gender pronouns for each civ should be fairly simple I would think. Getting the 3D animated face part done looks pretty difficult though...

[Japher]

If women start playing CIV it will turn into SimCity with the whole Sims crossover/addin crap that (real) men just don't like.

[samsmithnz]

Re: Not many women...

Originally posted by upjoa
So, I know this might be a silly thing to get upset about, but I hate the fact that they don't have more female leaders. Every civilization should have a male and female option. Can't they use historical women as leaders, like Susan B. Anthony for America? On top of it they removed Joan of Arc. Come on! I'm sure they could dig up some women!

Who?

[Sava]

this is a stupid complaint


and actually so far, I have been having to deal with the female Egypt leader, Catherine of Russia, and England's woman leader (Victoria? or is it Elizabeth still... I forget) in the two games I have played

[Shaka II]

Re: Not many women...

Originally posted by upjoa
So, I know this might be a silly thing to get upset about, but I hate the fact that they don't have more female leaders. Every civilization should have a male and female option. Can't they use historical women as leaders, like Susan B. Anthony for America? On top of it they removed Joan of Arc. Come on! I'm sure they could dig up some women!

Civ is not Civ without Joan of Arc. So she wasn't Queen, but she led armies, which may be seen as more important to some players here.

Hopefully there is Cleopatra still. Also Indira Ghandi, Queen Elizabeth. There should be more gender choices.

[Rosscifer]

This is not stupid. Retarded is more accurate.

[curtsibling]

Originally posted by Akaoz
Well, my wife and sister-in-law play it.

Egads!

Then that changes everything! Recall the game!

Add in Hilary Clinton and Maggie Thatcher to keep it all fair and PC!

(PFFT!)

[Imran Siddiqui]

So she wasn't Queen, but she led armies, which may be seen as more important to some players here.

So should General Patton represent the US?

Come on... it's silly. Female are in the game where they were leaders. Egypt, England, Russia, Spain. Who are you really going to put for the US? No woman has been President! France has the same problem. Ditto for Germany (unless you think Merkel deserves the honor ), and on and on.

Fact of the matter is that most civilizations have been dominated by men. It isn't putting down women, it's the simple truth. We don't need a PC inclusion of women into the leadership roles.

Sensible female choices have been added in the game: Victoria and Elizabeth for the English, Catherine for Russia, Hashepsut for Egypt, Isabella for Spain.