Replace the Hoover Dam with the Three Gorges Dam

[Aro]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo

Originally posted by Aro
Do you mean… ?
Tech = Musical theory
Wonder = JSB Cathedral

yeah. basically, the concept isn't the wonder, its what you DO with it.

What I said in this thread:

originally posted by Aro
… Jazz (this one is a genuine American wonder: The Blue Note Record Company!)

I don’t know if I made it clear, but the wonder I was referring is the Blue Note, not the Jazz. Jazz is the main reason that make me love your country, even hating it! (just kidding! )

More:

Wow! Being a musician I have to disagree. Jazz isn’t a tech. Of course, you have technologies as prerequisites, but Jazz definitely isn’t a technique.

As I said, Jazz isn’t a tech. It’s a huge musical genre, with a lot of associated techniques.

The difference between a single painting and the Pyramids is the number of slaves involved.

hmm, painters are sorta similiar to slaves. . . they're ussually barely fed, smell bad, miserable. . . . maybe a painting could be a wonder. of course the problem with that is its not restriscted to a single locale, anytime there's a war it'd be getting hauled around. or some bored billionire would snatch it and put it back without anyone noticing. . .

Velásquez, Rubens, Picasso, Leonardo, Matisse… They weren’t miserable at all.
Well, Michelangelo did smell bad, as said by some people…
I know you are already aware of that, but many painters had big studios with a lot of “assistants”, underpaid, barely fed and smelling bad.

Btw, Paintings (as Architecture) can be destroyed in wars, and frequently are. As any other Wonder…

But you’ve missed the point. The original sparkle, the initial inspiration, were the same, no matter if an Architect, a Painter or an Astronomer is the conductor of the project… And their methods were very similar, after all!
A bored Billionaire, a bored King or a bored Pharaoh can spend a lot of money with Paintings, Pyramids and Buildings. Most of the World Wonders are connected to powerful men or women.

It's not your fault. Someday you’ll see why, I'm sure.

nah, my tastes are pretty well matured. they ain't gunna change.

It’s up to you.

find a single painting that has had a similair number of tourists from all over the world come gawk at it as the pyramids and i'll let you call it a wonder.

I don’t have the stats in my hands, but…
Do you need a single painting “that has had a similar number of tourists from all over the world coming gawk…?”
What about “Mona Lisa”?
Btw, it’s not one of my favorite paintings. IMHO, Leonardo was a great artist, but not a true “Great Master” as Velazquez, Michelangelo, Rubens, Rembrandt…

But you can research “hippie” techs to keep your people happy, like “Free Love”... or “Prozac”

ok, so, -1 research, -1 industrial output, +1 happy citizns and +1 population growth.

We have a deal.

no worries. . . .although if you want to talk penguin i'd be willing to give it a go. its the national language of antartica, right?

We talk Portuguese in Antarctica.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Aro
We talk Portuguese in Antarctica.

Only in Grahamland. (and perhaps the Southern Shetland isles)

[Aro]

No way!
In Grahamland they speak Spanish... With a distinctive Argentinean accent.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


The U.S. invented the H-bomb.

Not quite. America generally funded it and assisted, (Only America could afford $3 billion and it had a nice large desert for practice); but the main scientists came from elsewhere.


That reminds me, if Leonardo has a Workshop, how come Einstien doesn't have one?


Yarco, I agree on the Inca Road, that is an impressive feat, even by todays standards.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sn00py


That reminds me, if Leonardo has a Workshop, how come Einstien doesn't have one?

Because Leonardo was a tinkerer and inventor, as well as being a part time metaphysician and philosopher, painter and sculptor.

Schemes for war machines, helicopters, diverting rivers, creating a canal for Florence, parachutes, scissors, and so on.

[patcon]

Originally posted by Sn00py


Not quite. America generally funded it and assisted, (Only America could afford $3 billion and it had a nice large desert for practice); but the main scientists came from elsewhere.

Does that mean that the Hebrews, not the Egyptians, built the pyramids? After all the Egyptians may have funded and "assisted", but Hebrew slaves built it. Yes, I know that some historians believe that there weren't that many slaves involved and that the building was by unemployed Egyptians in an ancient version of the WPA projects of the Great Depression.

That reminds me, if Leonardo has a Workshop, how come Einstien doesn't have one?

Einstein didn't really invent "stuff", he invented ideas. If you want a more modern version of Leo's Workshop it would be "Menlo Park" (Edison's lab), but we can't have that because it's American!

Yarco, I agree on the Inca Road, that is an impressive feat, even by todays standards.

I concur. There should be a "road" wonder which could increase road travel rate.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by patcon


I concur. There should be a "road" wonder which could increase road travel rate.

Two possible road wonders: 'The Silk Road' or the Achaemenid or Sassanid (or Persian) Royal road, with its accompanying postal and pony express system.

Why it even bequeathed its motto to the United States' postal service...

Herodotus said of it:

He describes the pirradaziš -for which he uses another name- in very laudatory words:

" There is nothing mortal which accomplishes a journey with more speed than these messengers, so skillfully has this been invented by the Persians. For they say that according to the number of days of which the entire journey consists, so many horses and men are set at intervals, each man and horse appointed for a day's journey.

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor darkness of night prevents them from accomplishing the task proposed to them with the very utmost speed.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/achaemenids/royal_road.php

One of the most significant achievements of the Achaemenid administration was the establishment of the Royal Road that connected Susa to Sardis. This road, at the beginning used exclusively by the royal messengers (Barid; see below), eventually developed into the main communication nerve of the empire. Major trade routes were connected to the Royal Road and it might have extended eastwards from Susa as well, although no Greek accounts confirm such suspicion. The Achaemenid Royal Road was clearly a sign of the administration’s awareness of the need for quick communication routes and the importance of road-making, a trait continued by most subsequent rulers. It can also be credited at the first clear forerunner of the famous Via Appia of the Roman Empire that formed the major road system of that empire.

An immediate use of the Royal Road was made by the members of the Barid system. Barid was the name of the Achaemenid postal system established by Darius I in order to facilitate the communication between the central and the satrapal governments. All satrapies and local governments had the duty of providing fresh horses and amenities for the Barid messengers. Satraps and King’s Eyes sent regular reports of the state of their satrapies to the Imperial Court in Persepolis and Susa, where detailed records of the empire were kept. Sadly, with Alexander’s burning of the Persepolis Treasury and pillage of the Susa Treasury, none of these records survived to our time and we can only speak of their existence based on various archaeological findings and the records of Greek historians.

Although the Barid was used for the purpose of imperial communication, it use later became less exclusive and included personal and business communications. Barid messengers became the bearers of information much sought after around the empire, including price information for various tradable goods. In this way, Barid played a role similar to modern postal system and is indeed considered as a forerunner of later Iranian communication and postal systems. The name Barid is used up to the modern times in various Arab countries as the original term for the Post.

http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_7579.shtml

[FrostyBoy]

When I said workshop, I didn't mean workshop exactly, I meant.. well.. just ok....then..

Lets call it, Einstiens Blackboard.


Patcon, who split the atom? An American? No. They were non-american scientists that thought up these crazy ideas.

It was America that was funding the science and development behind it.

So if you want to use your Egyptian example in this, the Americans would be the slaves and the non-Americans would be the Egyptians.

[GeoModder]

Good one, Snoopy!

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Sn00py



Patcon, who split the atom? An American? No. They were non-american scientists that thought up these crazy ideas.

I know why you brought up atom splitting. You're justifiably proud of Kiwi Ernest Rutherford, ain't'cha ?

Ernest Rutherford is one of the most famous scientists to have worked in Britain. His most celebrated achievement was to ~{!.~}split the atom~{!/~}, a concept which caught the imagination of the public at the time of its development, and continues to do so today.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/on-line/atomicfirsts/page2.asp

Model of a hydrogen atom according to the Rutherford-Bohr theory.

Science & Society Picture Library

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Aro
No way!
In Grahamland they speak Spanish... With a distinctive Argentinean accent.

My linguistic mistake.

Still, it's only part of the whole continent speaking that language.

[FrostyBoy]

Originally posted by molly bloom



I know why you brought up atom splitting. You're justifiably proud of Kiwi Ernest Rutherford, ain't'cha ?

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/on-line/atomicfirsts/page2.asp

Model of a hydrogen atom according to the Rutherford-Bohr theory.

Science & Society Picture Library

Blame my countries skooling sistim

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Kc7mxo

If you want to consider a single song a wonder, or a single painting a wonder, you might have an argument. but it would have to be a universally recognized item that had a dramatic effect on world civilization, because otherwise, its just a painting which a buncha stuffy high class people make a big deal over. . .

Depends. For Western civilzation, perspective and oil painting were both fairly important in shaping how we see ourselves, and the environment around us.

perspective (Lat. perspicere, "to see through, see clearly")

The method of representing three-dimensional objects on a flat surface. Perspective gives a picture a sense of depth. The most important form of perspective in the Renaissance was linear perspective (first formulated by the architect Brunelleschi in the early 15th century), in which the real or suggested lines of objects converge on a vanishing point on the horizon, often in the middle of the composition (centralized perspective). The first artist to make a systematic use of linear perspective was Masaccio, and its principles were set out by the architect Alberti in a book published in 1436. The use of linear perspective had a profound effect on the development of Western art and remained unchallenged until the 20th century.

And paintings such as Holbein's 'The Ambassadors' are important not only for their technique, but also for what they record of the times the artist was living in.

Jan Van Eyck's 'Arnolfini Marriage' rocked the world too...

[FrostyBoy]

Nice painting, I've not seen that one before

[GeoModder]

I assure you, there's more where that came from.