Second Leader in a Civ

[Aro]

Originally posted by GeoModder


On every mythical 'person' is a core of truth. But after 2-3000 years we can only work with the info that has reached us.

Same can be said about the founding of Rome...

Romulo and Remo? Or the Lupus?

I was typing "legendary", but trying to say "mythical". Sorry... My bad english is becoming worst..

A core of truth, I agree... But my real reason to prefer Pericles is the significance of Athens. When we talk about Greek culture we're talking about Olympic Games or the 300 of Sparta, or about Alexander. AND about Democracy, Acropolis, Pathernom, Philosophy, Ethics and so on... Pericles seems to be very representative of all that, AND he ruled Athens...during the Golden Age! (you can't be more civ than that )

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Alexander01
In addition to the militaristic conquering tyrants, of course.

Well, duh. I want to see Alexander face off against Napolean

[Solver]

I'd like to have a second one for the Arabs - we know of Saladin, but I think seeing Harun al-Rashid in the game would be cool.

[Kaak]

i would think rome would have a lot of viable candidates...

[sophist]

Originally posted by Alexander01
As for the founding of Rome, do you really think Aeneas of Troy founded the city? Everyone claimed their great founder came from Troy, even the British -- Brutus of Troy!

Vergil didn't claim Aeneas founded Rome. That would have clashed with an existing genesis myth. Aeneas founded Lavinia, and his son founded Alba Longa, which is where Romulus and Remus eventually came from. Did you know that Vergil wrote the Aeneid because Octavian asked him to?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Solver
I'd like to have a second one for the Arabs - we know of Saladin, but I think seeing Harun al-Rashid in the game would be cool.

I think the article that first announced Saladin said that he was the only leader for his Civ. It was the same article that announced Kublai Khan.

Though I agree, Harun al-Raschid woudl be cool.

I usually just change the name in the box at the start!

(Julius Caesar becomes any Caesar you want!)

[Solver]

Thinking about the civs in this poll.

Aztecs - probably one leader. Except Montezuma, most people don't know any others. If there was a second leader, I'd add Axayacatl, for taking Tlateloco, but he's a pretty obscure figure, so it's probably just one leader.

Babylonians - Hammurabi and my second choice would easily be Nebuchadnezzar. Both very likely and recognizeable.

Egypt - tons of figures to choose from for a second leader. Ramses II, Amenhotep IV (Ehnaton), Tutankhamen for his recognizability, Seti I and Tuthmosis IV - just a few of the candidates.

Greece - many candidates except Alexander named above.

Incans - Atahualpa would be the first choice, seeing how he's like the Incan Montezuma being the most known one. Since Pachacuti conquered lots, he's also viable.

Japanese - there are probably other worthy leaders, but I don't know Japanese history, so can not suggest anyone else.

Persia - Cyrus is meh, I want Xerxes! Definitely a worthy second leader.

Rome - ohh, maybe Pontius Pilate ? Charlemagne is also eligile, theoretically, as he was crowned Emperor of the Roman Empire, although if he were in, he'd be more likely as French. Marcus Aurelius and Titus Flavius are two interesting candidates.

Russians - quite a selection. Ivan the Terrible, Peter I, Vladimir Lenin and maybe even Nikolai II are interesting persons. Stalin isn't going to be in, obviously. Catherine is also an option, although less interesting than Ivan and Peter, IMO.

Spain - Isabella and Ferdinand would be my bet, but I don't know many more possible candidates.

Mali - I'm fairly certain there is only one Mali leader, this is hardly a civ with two recognizeable leaders. Even Mansa Musa isn't a very known person .

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Aro
... AND he ruled Athens...during the Golden Age! (you can't be more civ than that )

During the Golden Age of Athens perhaps, but not the whole of Greece.
As can be said that the Golden Age of Sparta was when it (and it's allies) defeated Athens (and it's allies)

And Alex01, I was refering to Romulus and Remus.
I even didn't recall the Aeneas story 'till you triggered my memory.

[Kuciwalker]

Rome - ohh, maybe Pontius Pilate

Eh, he never ruled Rome...

[GeoModder]

Even worse... he ruled Judea. (sort of, at least)

[sophist]

Originally posted by Solver

Persia - Cyrus is meh, I want Xerxes! Definitely a worthy second leader.

Rome - ohh, maybe Pontius Pilate ? Charlemagne is also eligile, theoretically, as he was crowned Emperor of the Roman Empire, although if he were in, he'd be more likely as French. Marcus Aurelius and Titus Flavius are two interesting candidates.

What about Darius for Persia? And why are all Persian options from the Achaemenids? Couldn't there be a Parthian or Sassanid? Pre-Islamic Persians had three long-lived dynasties, after all.

Titus Flavius for Rome? Who ruled for all of two years? You'd choose him over Augustus Caesar and the five good emperors?

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Solver
Thinking about the civs in this poll.

Aztecs - probably one leader. Except Montezuma, most people don't know any others. If there was a second leader, I'd add Axayacatl, for taking Tlateloco, but he's a pretty obscure figure, so it's probably just one leader.

Babylonians - Hammurabi and my second choice would easily be Nebuchadnezzar. Both very likely and recognizeable.

Egypt - tons of figures to choose from for a second leader. Ramses II, Amenhotep IV (Ehnaton), Tutankhamen for his recognizability, Seti I and Tuthmosis IV - just a few of the candidates.

Greece - many candidates except Alexander named above.

Incans - Atahualpa would be the first choice, seeing how he's like the Incan Montezuma being the most known one. Since Pachacuti conquered lots, he's also viable.

Japanese - there are probably other worthy leaders, but I don't know Japanese history, so can not suggest anyone else.

Persia - Cyrus is meh, I want Xerxes! Definitely a worthy second leader.

Rome - ohh, maybe Pontius Pilate ? Charlemagne is also eligile, theoretically, as he was crowned Emperor of the Roman Empire, although if he were in, he'd be more likely as French. Marcus Aurelius and Titus Flavius are two interesting candidates.

Russians - quite a selection. Ivan the Terrible, Peter I, Vladimir Lenin and maybe even Nikolai II are interesting persons. Stalin isn't going to be in, obviously. Catherine is also an option, although less interesting than Ivan and Peter, IMO.

Spain - Isabella and Ferdinand would be my bet, but I don't know many more possible candidates.

Mali - I'm fairly certain there is only one Mali leader, this is hardly a civ with two recognizeable leaders. Even Mansa Musa isn't a very known person .

My thoughts:

Aztecs - Cuauhtemoc was Moctezuma II's short-lived successor. He might work, but I don't think the Aztecs will get two.

Babylonians - Hammurabi and Nebuchadnezzar for sure. A little redundant though.

Egyptians - You bring up some good alternatives. I might suggest Khufu, Khafra, Thutmose III, Narmer, Cleopatra (hopefully not).

Greeks - Previously mentioned Pericles, Drakon, Themistokles, Kleisthenes, Leonidas, and Brasidas, and I could add Solon, Hippias, Alkibiades, Nikias, and Agesilaos.

Incas - Pachacuti and Atahualpa are the best options. If they've kept the Incas, that is.

Japanese - I'd suggest Shogun Minamoto Yoritomo, the Daimyo Oda Nobunaga, and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the Emperor Meiji, who modernized Japan, or Emperor Hirohito from WWII or Tojo Hideki, the War Minister in WWII.

Persians - Xerxes is cool, but I think Darius the Great is better, personally. I think the Achaemenids are the best option. Or Arsaces the Parthian, or Ardashir or Khusrau or Shapur II of the Sassanids. Or any of the Middle Ages' Muslim Safavids. They could always pick Ayatollah Khomeini, for a modern option. Not likely. I think we're stuck with Cyrus. He's not that bad!

Romans - Not Charlemagne. He was Frankish, so he'd get either French or Germans (leaning towards German, because old Frankish is more Germanic thatn Latin). Perhaps any of the following Caesars: Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero, Vespasian, Trajan, Hadrian, Marcus Aurelius, Diocletian, Constantine. The rest were mostly pushovers.

Russians - Rurik, St. Vladimir, Aleksander Nevsky, Ivan the Great, Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, Nicholas II, Lenin (he was in CivII), Stalin (wasn't he in CivI?).

Spanish - Isabella, El Cid, Ferdinand, Philip II, Franco. Not my choice, they'd all behave relatively the same.

and the Malinese - Mansa Musa or Sundiate Keita. No one else is noteworthy.

In other words, as I've previously said, I think it will be Egypt, Rome, Russia, or Greece.

[Solver]

Ohhh that would be very fun, two Roman leaders - Nero and Caligula, ditch Gaius Julius . Those two are probably the craziest Roman Emperors. Gaius Julius Caesar was in fact never an Emperor...

El Cid for Spanish sounds good .

Stalin was in Civ1 because the USSR existed when Civ1 was released, and the "Russians" there were actually the Soviets. Plus, no one could be offended by Stalin at the time of Civ1's release.

[Kuciwalker]

Caligula

I don't want to know what effects his traits have

[Solver]

And Nero's unique unit would be the City Torcher .