Second Leader in a Civ

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke

I digress. My vote was for Russia, whose two leaders should be Ivan IV Grozny and Peter I. There is variance between the two's style of leadership and emphasis, plus none of the sticky PC issues Firaxis likes to avoid that choosing Stalin or Lenin would entail.

I concur there. Ivan the Terrible would be ruthless, manipulative and warlike, Peter the Great would be constructive, magnanimous, and hyperactive.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by DerSchwarzfalke


I'd say

Remarkable woman no less. It is rather interesting to speculate what would have happened had she and Antony won at Actium, or had Octavian possessed less of a spine. For a few years there it looked like Antony wanted to split the empire and install his own sons by Cleopatra as a new dynasty.

Part of Greg Bear's 'Eon' novel series is set in an alternate Ptolemaic Egypt, and Susan Shwartz has set a novel series in an alternate Ptolemaic-Byzantine world where Cleopatra and Antony ruled from a new capital in Byzantium I seem to recall. Though quite why they'd leave Alexandria...

And there's an interesting essay in one of the 'What If' anthologies about how Christianity is adopted by the victorious Hellenic rulers of a war with Rome, and loses its patriarchal aspects by being identified with strong powerful female pharoah-popes.

[sophist]

Russia with Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great would be good, though that leaves Catherine the Great out in the cold.

Rome deserves a double. Augustus Caesar should be there instead of Julius Caesar, and then maybe Marcus Aurelius.

[Kuciwalker]

Alexander and Pericles for Greece

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by molly bloom
Not as good a choice as Rameses II or Thutmose III.

Yes, Ramses is another familiar name. Though I don't have a clue why. Perhaps something to do this evening, checking the merits of the pharaoh's.

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Alexander and Pericles for Greece

I would put Lycurgus opposite Pericles any time.
And why not instead of Alexander, Agamemnon?

[Alexander I]

I never liked having Catherine the Great as Russia's leader, seeing as how she was a German princess who seized control by having her halfwit husband Tsar Peter III murdered. (I know it's not proved, but it might as well be.)

Ramses II, the Great, is an obvious choice for a male Egyptian pharaoh. He built the great monument at Abu Simbel, fought the Hittites at Kadesh, and may have been the Pharaoh of the Exodus of the Israelites, though recent theories favor hsi son, Merneptah.

Pericles is a good choice for a Greek ruler, though Alexander will always win out over the others. He may have been a Macedonian, but he spread Hellenism as far as India.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by GeoModder
I would put Lycurgus opposite Pericles any time.
And why not instead of Alexander, Agamemnon?

Because Alexander is awesome

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by sophist
Russia with Ivan the Terrible and Peter the Great would be good, though that leaves Catherine the Great out in the cold.

Rome deserves a double. Augustus Caesar should be there instead of Julius Caesar, and then maybe Marcus Aurelius.

Yeah. It'd be cool to have more leaders with the "Philisophical" trait.

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Yeah. It'd be cool to have more leaders with the "Philisophical" trait.

In addition to the militaristic conquering tyrants, of course.

[Aro]

Originally posted by GeoModder
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I would put Lycurgus opposite Pericles any time.
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Lycurgo was a legendary person, not a real one... Talking about legendary people, his grand-grandpa Heracles (or even Agamemnon) would be a better leader. Not to mention Odysseus...

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Aro






Lycurgo was a legendary person, not a real one... Talking about legendary people, his grand-grandpa Heracles (or even Agamemnon) would be a better leader. Not to mention Odysseus...

Heck, Alexander the Great is legendary. Of course, he's also historical.

As for the others, no one can prove the actual existence of Lycurgos, Achilles, Agamemnon, Heracles, Odysseus, Theseus or any of the others. Whereas Pericles and Alexander are actual historcial figures.

So instead of the list of legends and myths, you might try people like Drakon, Kleisthenes, Themistokles, Brasidas, or Leonidas.

[Niptium]

Spain, in my humble opinion should have 2 leaders. Starting with the obvious, Firaxis will have chosen Isabella for the first. But then, there is a lot of great leaders that followed : Carlos 5 (Charlesquint), The Cid, Franco and Phillip 2 (besides the fact that he managed to lose a war against England with the great Armada).

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by Niptium
Spain, in my humble opinion should have 2 leaders. Starting with the obvious, Firaxis will have chosen Isabella for the first. But then, there is a lot of great leaders that followed : Carlos 5 (Charlesquint), The Cid, Franco and Phillip 2 (besides the fact that he managed to lose a war against England with the great Armada).

Trouble is, Firaxis already put Charles V as the leader of the Austrians in the unused Civ in Civ3. That would be the first time a leader of one civ was used for another.

I know he was both King of Spain and Holy Roman Emperor, but ...

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Aro
Lycurgo was a legendary person, not a real one... Talking about legendary people, his grand-grandpa Heracles (or even Agamemnon) would be a better leader. Not to mention Odysseus...

On every mythical 'person' is a core of truth. But after 2-3000 years we can only work with the info that has reached us.

Same can be said about the founding of Rome...

[Alexander I]

Originally posted by GeoModder


On every mythical 'person' is a core of truth. But after 2-3000 years we can only work with the info that has reached us.

Same can be said about the founding of Rome...

About most mythical figures. I can only hope that Zeus wasn't real...

As for the founding of Rome, do you really think Aeneas of Troy founded the city? Everyone claimed their great founder came from Troy, even the British -- Brutus of Troy!