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Originally posted by LaRusso
hum, my laptop has integrated Radeon IGP 320M, 64 MB, total 512. It has no T&L. Processor is 2800 XP-M. What gives, the game does not play at all or it seesaws my nerves?
If my initial experience with Pirates! is any indication, it will crash constantly. I went and got a Radeon 9550 though and now it works fine.
Originally posted by Solver
Yeah, integrated video cards suck .
Maybe you will be able to run the game, technically. Some games run with less of what is their minimal requirements - I don't think Civ4 will just refuse to run, although it will probably look like crap.
No, it will probably refuse to run. I had an integrated chip with no T&L when I got Pirates! and the game would start crashing about 10 minutes in and get progressively worse. And Civ 4 will be using the same engine.
I think it is better to be able to zoom in and out (and around ) as you please (and without loss of quality, which was inevitable when using sprites). It allows everyone to set his/her own point of view, instead of being forced to accept what someone else thought was good. I know I tend to use those 3D zoom options wherever available, as they often give some extremely valuable perspectives. I am really looking forward to this feature in CIV.
I agree. One thing that we'll be able to do is zoom right out and once again have a fullscreen map of the world. I really missed that in Civ 3.
I have ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB. I guess that one has this T&L technology? I don't know how old that tech is you see. My computer is 3 years old, but the original graphics card was replaced half a year ago by customer service after it broke down, so I guess this card is newer. The old one was GeForce 4 Ti4600, is there a difference then?
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If my initial experience with Pirates! is any indication, it will crash constantly. I went and got a Radeon 9550 though and now it works fine.
okay, i will now expose my stupidity & low level of comp education.
there is no way i can upgrade my integrated card, that is, there is no space to fit a proper card inside the laptop, or even if i manage it will overheat. right?
okay, i will now expose my stupidity & low level of comp education.
there is no way i can upgrade my integrated card, that is, there is no space to fit a proper card inside the laptop, or even if i manage it will overheat. right?
Sorry, I've never used a laptop so I know squat about them.
okay, i will now expose my stupidity & low level of comp education.
there is no way i can upgrade my integrated card, that is, there is no space to fit a proper card inside the laptop, or even if i manage it will overheat. right?
It depends. You can´t use a card for desktop pc´s, it won´t fit (or run externaly). But you may be able to upgrade your card if you use Dell for instance. But it´s very expensive and tricky since laptop graphics cards are so tightly integrated with the rest of the hardware.
Looks like that if you can run Pirates now you'll be able to run Civ4.
While Civ4 might be somewhat heavier in graphic quality, its also turn based instead of real-time ala Pirates. A big difference!
They are keeping a requirements down to be able to reach a large audience. Shame more developers don't work like this... but then graphics are the most important thing for games... right?
In all fairness T&L is nothing revolutionary new... It´s been added to graphics cards since 2002. Almost every graphics card on the market nowadays have this. AFAIK it is essential to 3D graphics. And it is 2005 now, not 1991. I can understand that the developers of Civ want to "broaden the horizon" so to speak.
It´s all about evolution of technology...
Edit: Since Custodian wasn´t criticising Firaxis in his previous post (I assume...) I´ll make this a general statement
They are keeping a requirements down to be able to reach a large audience. Shame more developers don't work like this... but then graphics are the most important thing for games... right?
Yeah talk about suckers who release things like Battlefield 2... they basically don't want to support computers more than a year old, although it could be ran, probably, even on GeForce 4 Ti.
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They are keeping a requirements down to be able to reach a large audience. Shame more developers don't work like this... but then graphics are the most important thing for games... right?
Yeah talk about suckers who release things like Battlefield 2... they basically don't want to support computers more than a year old, although it could be ran, probably, even on GeForce 4 Ti.
I don't understand why they don't make those games more downwards compatible. Seems like shooting yourself in the foot this. Maybe they’ve deals with the graphics developers.
Still I won't be buying it for a good while because of this.
Dr Zoidberg, I was more applauding them actually (should have made that more clear). And I do agree they haven't to support TNT2 and the like. There's a limit in what you can support. Still I do feel when I buy a 3D card it should be able to run games at a good framerate and with a good graphic quality for say at least 3 years. Lots of companies are ignoring this however. Lucky Firaxis is not one of them.
PC’s are the most expensive gaming platform by far already, what do they want? Drive all casual gamers away? There’s a reason titles like Sims / Rollercoaster Tycoon sell so well…. gameplay and compatibility,
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) as you please (and without loss of quality, which was inevitable when using sprites). It allows everyone to set his/her own point of view, instead of being forced to accept what someone else thought was good. I know I tend to use those 3D zoom options wherever available, as they often give some extremely valuable perspectives. I am really looking forward to this feature in CIV. 
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