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    What document is a proof of American citizenship?

    When an immigrant becomes a citizen of the USA, what does he get instead of his green card?
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    • Receive your Certificate of Naturalization.


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    Don't they just give you a gun with 'Don't tread on me' engraved on the barrel?

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    They get that well before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentonio View Post
    Don't they just give you a gun with 'Don't tread on me' engraved on the barrel?
    Only if you're moving to God's Country, like the free states of Virginia and Utah
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    So what's the problem with all these voter ID checks, then?
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    I (and probably everybody else in the US) need to show proof of citizenship for employment - there's a long list of acceptable documents, but the only part of the list I remember is that your passport is proof of citizenship, or else your driver's license plus your social security card is proof of citizenship.
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    So what's the problem with all these voter ID checks, then?
    Cost. My passport costs about $120 every ten years, my driver's license costs about $60 every eight years. For some people this isn't a pittance.
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    In most states (such as Virginia) you can get IDs for free if you fit into certain wealth brackets, loinburger. However, yes, it actually is a pittance. 12 bucks a year for a passport? $7.50 a year for a driver's license? Come on.
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    For some people this isn't a pittance.
    True, when you are voting 10, 11 times, the costs scale.
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    The problem comes in when:

    You don't have a driver's license (for whatever reason)
    You don't have a birth certificate (for whatever reason)
    You don't have a social security card (for whatever reason)

    Could be lost/stolen/etc....

    But then suddenly proving your identity becomes a time consuming and possible costly affair. It becomes much harder if you can't trace backwards (I think my mom had to help my brother get his birth certificate when he needed one again).

    Yes, for the person with a car and who holds a job it is easy.... (and if they get stolen, still easy)

    note you can't legally work without a social security card

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    VERY VERY VERY few people lack identification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    Only if you're moving to God's Country, like the free states of Virginia and Utah

    **** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.
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    I just know it was difficult for my brother to reacquire it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    **** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onodera View Post
    So what's the problem with all these voter ID checks, then?
    Voter fraud is a largely imaginary phenomena in modern US voting. There are people who for whatever the reason don't have photo ID, and it's difficult to get ahold of because the state services suck(like in WV where the DMVs are only open one day a week and few and far between). You have to present your voter registration card anyway, and a line is struck off on the list of voters in the district the district polling place has. This alone greatly minimizes fraud, since several people can't just hit the same district again and again.


    That said, I wouldn't be opposed to, say, putting your thumbprint next to your ballot(or on the voter scanner machine). This would create a pretty much ironclad defense against voter fraud and wouldn't require ID other than your voter registration card. People wouldn't go for it thought because OMFG BIG BROTHER MARK OF THE BEAST.
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    There are districts in Philadelphia with routinely greater than 100% turnout. In Virginia quite recently a DC-based nonprofit tried to register a bunch of pets, children, dead people, and felons. It was in a copy of the Washington Post sitting in the Fed's lunch room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by regexcellent View Post
    There are districts in Philadelphia with routinely greater than 100% turnout.
    Cite please, because even the GOP government of Pennsylvania thinks that voter fraud risk is so low that it would not be materially affected by a voter ID law.


    In Virginia quite recently a DC-based nonprofit tried to register a bunch of pets, children, dead people, and felons. It was in a copy of the Washington Post sitting in the Fed's lunch room.
    You mean the one that the VA SBE gave a pass on anyway, since there would be a bit of a sticking point when invalid(or missing) SSNs tried to get registered to vote?

    You do realize that this means the system is already working well to prevent voter fraud, right? And that there's a difference between attempted voter fraud and actual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    **** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.
    When did that start? Mail your state senator!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    Cite please, because even the GOP government of Pennsylvania thinks that voter fraud risk is so low that it would not be materially affected by a voter ID law.
    Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    **** that. Everytime I buy a gun in VA I'm "randomly chosen" for an extended background check. I got dinged for it on a gorram .22LR rifle today. Maybe I'll be able to pick it up tomorrow, maybe it'll be next week.
    I got a delay last week buying a Ruger 10/22, but that was an issue with NICS having an overload or something.
    Do not take anything I say seriously. It's just the Internet. It's not real life.

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    You didn't already have a 10/22, Felch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    When did that start? Mail your state senator!
    The real Kicker is that in 2005 or so I was able to pick up my 9mil the day I bought it at the PX in San Diego(firearms at Post Exchanges are subject to state rules). The guns I've bought in VA I always get dinged for an extended background check.
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    Weird, my brother was able to get a gun with no trouble whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    Weird, my brother was able to get a gun with no trouble whatsoever.
    That's because he looks like Wesley Crusher.
    With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
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    Not that brother. My twin brother. And neither of them, do, really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    You didn't already have a 10/22, Felch?
    Nope. I had a 22 pistol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felch View Post
    Nope. I had a 22 pistol.

    Yeah? I'm actually interested in getting the Ruger SR22. .22LR ammo is so goddamn cheap right now.
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    I love how Lonestar asked for a cite and I provided it and he's said nothing since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
    I love how Lonestar asked for a cite and I provided it and he's said nothing since.

    That's because I'm waiting for you to read your own goddamn article.

    I'll help you out: The GOP complaints couldn't even come up with a specific example, at and least some of the "high voting percentage turnout" districts that the city commissioners have studied have been traced right back to machine error. Given the complete cluster electronic voting has been(printed receipts? Poppycock!) this is unsurprising. And now, in August, the PA GOP has actually admitted that if voter fraud does exist on a wide scale in PA, voter ID wouldn't solve it.
    With such viral bias, you're opinion is thus rendered useless. -Shrapnel12, on my "bias" against the SS.
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