Society VIII: Quest For Perfection (Game Thread)

[MJW]

Originally posted by Theben

The problem is that spies complete 100% of their missions if not stopped. The problem isn't with the Trojan Horse itself.

Well played MJW. Odd though that having more cities made me more vulnerable to mass assault.

Care to explain the first paragraph of this quote Theben?

Oh, it was not a good play. The strongest move would have been to build 7 wonders and win. Now, Hercules will play Kingmaker or will do something strange by Spying on Spaced Cowboy with me -- then dogpilling on me with Spaced Cowboy.

[Theben]

Computer games can have spies stopped by percentages that the player may not be aware of and/or can't affect. Here if a spy isn't stopped by a counter spy, it will always succeed.

The Trojan Horse can be stopped- temporarily- by stockpiling your own spies and/or calling in allies. Long enough to launch a counter-offensive of some sort.

I would suggest removing the 1 DEF spy stops 2 spies, and replace it with one of 2 things:

*- One spy stops 1 spy. A civ at war also gets a free DEF espionage action to defend any phase, which cannot be stockpiled.
or
*- One spy stops 1 spy. In addition, the spying player picks a # 1 thru 10 per spy sent. The defender picks the same, 1-10. If the numbers match, the spy is intercepted. A civ at war may pick an additional number.

If anyone wants to play the alterate Society game I'll incorporate 1 of those ideas. The 2nd, obviously, is a bit more complex.

[MJW]

Ummm... The rules say that you cannot traget the spying pharse. This means Horse cannot be defended against.

[Theben]

Hmmm, I always assumed it just meant negating a new spy and it's actions. That does make the Horse extremely powerful.

Nevertheless the 2 proposals I made would not be subject to the Horse. Perhaps the Horse needs an expiration.

[DarkCloud]

Well, how about this... After espionage is discovered, the trojan horse grants 2 additional spies that turn and then expires and grants no further bonuses?

It would give people a reason not to want the horse to be obsolete... even as they are being foiled by its spies.

[MJW]

Ummm... The results have 2 errors.

1. Spaced Cowboy built a city and put a wonder on it the same turn. This is illegal.

2. I counted 13 cities on the map. But the graph and write-up says 11.

[Spaced Cowboy]

I had 6 cities before; I only have six wonders, maybe he put it in the wrong city.

[MJW]

Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy
I had 6 cities before; I only have six wonders, maybe he put it in the wrong city.

That's what he did!

But how many cities do you have now?

[Theben]

I figure either Spaced wins this turn with culture or MJW gets a domination win.

Unless someone takes one of Spaced's wonder this turn, or sabotages his wonder production, I don't see how he can be stopped.

[DarkCloud]

The wonder was just put in the wrong city... I'm not sure what the problem is about the cities?

[Hercules]

Turn sent.

[MJW]

Sent

[MJW]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
The wonder was just put in the wrong city... I'm not sure what the problem is about the cities?

The chart says spaced has 11.

[Spaced Cowboy]

I think I should have 10 cities, IIRC.

I'll have orders in 24 hours, I'm quite busy at the moment and don't have the time, sorry.

[DarkCloud]

Hmm... I'm confused about what happened with Spaced Cities- I think he has either 11 as I wrote on the chart or 13... If you don't want to claim the 13, feel free to act as though you have 11 for now.

Good luck.