Society VII: Resurrection

[Spaced Cowboy]

okay, I will recalc my gold level then, I have more to spend....orders pending.

[DarkCloud]

Ok. I think what I said was right--- theben, was that how I did it with you?

If it wasn't, then dont bother recalculating, spaced. just proceed as normal. sorry for the confusions, the lack of some clear codification complicates things.

[Theben]

When I revolted, I didn't send caravans. It seems to me that so far it's been:
revolt
caravans
new govt
taxes (at 1/2)
caravan bonus from last turn

in that order.

[Spaced Cowboy]

okay, yeah it is too much trouble to recalc.

For the future, we should not get penalized a whole turn for revolt. Having to pick one phase is punishment enough. In Civ the 1+ turn punishment is doable since you are going to have 100s of turns anyway.

This game has not gone more than 10? turns IIRC.

So to clarify the rules, one should be able to use their new government ability right after the revolt phase for any one item they want.

[DarkCloud]

Update!

 

  

    
Society
    
Cities
    
Tech
    
Army
    
SS Parts
    
Nukes
    
SDI
    
Gold
    
Govt.
  
  

    
Theben
    
12
    
9
    
29
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
1118
    
1
  
  

    
EPW
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
30
    
1
  
  

    
Sparrowhawk
    
4
    
9
    
29
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
308
    
0
  
  

    
Spaced Cowboy
    
10
    
9
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
912
    
2
  
  

    
Jonny
    
18
    
8
    
39
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
931
    
1
  
  

    
MJW
    
14
    
6
    
60
    
0
    
0
    
0
    
564
    
1
  
  
 The Cost of Technology for the new turn:             
           
  

    2 Iron Working 1 gold.  

    3 Monarchy 1 gold.  

    4 Architecture 2 golds.  

    5 Geography 3 golds.  

    6 Religion 5 golds.  

    7 Espionage 8 golds.  

    8 Industrialization 28 golds.  

    9 Representative Govt 45 golds.  

[EPW]

hmmmmm

[DarkCloud]

* Note: Apologies again, I think everyone's gold calcs might be a little off- slightly higher than they should be.

I can't figure out why the program's doing it, but I don't think it's a big deal since everyone I checked is off by around the same amount.

All I can say about this is that I'm baffled and don't know what to do- but I figure since everyone's off by around the same amount, it should be fair. If you can figure out what might have gone wrong with your calculation, please double-check... If you don't feel like checking, don't worry... I couldn't figure out where extra money was coming in to some people. I finally think I've debugged all the trading incomes and WAR calculations; it's just Taxes that need to be fixed now.

Remember, calculations for income are:

CITIES (before capturing) x TECH x 5 x (Government Modifier)
+
Caravan Receipt (from prev. turn trade) [Which was already x times your gvt. modifier]
+
Tower of Babel or Silk Road or other modifiers.
-
Army Support

[DarkCloud]

* Theben (5 Caravans)---> Sparrowhawk (Theben benefits 262; Sparrow benefits 116)
* MJW (1 Caravan)---> Sparrowhawk
* MJW (4 Caravans)----> Jonny
* Jonny (5 Caravans)----> MJW
* Sparrowhawk (7 caravans)--->Theben
* Spaced Cowboy (1 Caravan)---> Theben
* Spaced Cowboy (1 caravan)---> Jonny
* Spaced Cowboy (3 caravans)---> EPW
* 805 world trade worth- 10%= 80 extra gp for Ninjabadhistan.

Caravan receipts (for next turn) were:
Theben- 230
EPW- 30
Sparrowhawk- 128
Spaced Cowboy- 0
Jonny- 113
MJW- 113

---

* MJW IV made peace with the Despot of the Birds of Prey, deciding that the war was helping neither Empire succeed. Negotiations were held over a dinner of roast pheasant. (!!!) The Despot of the Birds of Prey was notably concerned, but accepted terms, saying "at least it wasn't a Hawk or Penguin."

* Theben then constructed the NRA to better defend his country.

* Jonny constructed 39 Armies, researched tech level 8 (Industrialization), which made the Colosseum Obsolete; built a lot of cities alongside EPW's Empire, and prepared for war.

* EPW decided to revolt to Monarchy, and used his free action to collect full taxes.

* The Empire of Birds spent most of their income on constructing the Trans-Siberian Railroad so they could build distant cities, thereby escaping oppressors.

* Jonny took advantage of the ANARCHY in the Empire of P3wned and invaded with 39 Armies in a SNEAK ATTACK. He annihilated the Empire.

* MJW constructed the wondrous JIHAD after discovering Religion and several cities (Dante and Virgil) that connected his empire with Spaced Cowboys'. This left him with 173 Gold, with which he constructed 28 Armies for 60 Total! Thus making his empire the world's most numerous military (though one of the lowest tech- at level 6). I suppose Kira's Kingdom subscribes to Mao Zedong's policy of "People's War."

* Space Cowboy's one army BUILD order was sabotauged by MJW, who then SNEAK ATTACKED Spaced Cowboy (!!!) Continuing his father's reign of Terror; MJW IV struck fear into the Empire of Texas, capturing four cities; including the Acropolis.

The People's War concept worked, somewhat. The Republic of Texas, with its Industralization technology, managed to withstand the assault of thousands of trained armymen with its well-equipped militiamen, killing none, but repelling them from their walls (Possibly with blaring loud rock music a la how the CIA dealt with Noriega in Panama.)

* Theben generously gifted Tech Level 9 to the Empire of the Birds

* Spaced Cowboy was lucky that the Empire of Texas built so many cities, or else likely he would have hardly any cities left to withstand the aggressive empire of Kira's Kingdom.

[DarkCloud]

*MJW--Spaced War calculations:

((60/9)-(0/14)) x 6/9
6.67 * .67
=
4 cities (rounded down)
---


Theben
Empire of Ninjabhadistan
Government: Monarchy

Ninjabhad (C4) Capital (SILK ROAD)
St. Fuberg (D4)
Katanistan (B4)
Harikiristan (E4)
Sneakbhad (C5)
Al-Philpawt (C3)
(B3)
(B5)
(E3)
(E5)
(D3)
(D5)

Wonders:
Silk Road (C4),
NRA (B4)

EPW
Empire of Pwnage

Defunct, by The Empire of Missouri.

Sparrowhawk
Birds of Prey Empire

Hawk (C12)
Raven (D12)
Penguin (C1) [Trans-Siberian Railroad]
Eagle (C2)


Spaced Cowboy
Empire of Texas
Gvt: Republic

Dallas (I6)
Fort Worth (J6)
Waco (H6)
Paris (G6)
Amarillo (J7)
Laredo (K7)
Wichita Falls (L7)
San Antonio (F4)
Irving (F3)
Brownsville (F5)

Wonders: Acropolis (I4)

Jonny
Greater Missouri
Gvt: Monarchy

Jefferson City (I8) [The Tower of Babel]
St. Louis (J8)
Kansas City (H8)
Columbia (I7)
Joplin (H9)
Springfield (J9)
St. Joseph (H7)
Cape Girardeau (G7)
Branson (F7)
Kirksville (E7)
Hannibal (D7)
Rolla (C7)
Pwnapolis (C8) (Colosseum)
Pwnatron (D8)
PwnPwn (E8)
Grand Pwn (F8)
San Pwn (G8)
Pwntium (G9)

Wonders: The Tower of Babel (I8), Colosseum (C8)

MJW
Empire Name: Kira's Kingdom
Leader Name: MJW the Enforcer
Gvt: Monarchy

Kyoto (I12) (Capital) [Trojan Horse]
Tokyo (I11) [Jihad]
Washington (G11)
Naruto River (H11)
Berlin (G12) [Captured from Birds]
Potato Chip (I1)
Crow (E12) [Captured from Birds]
Falcon (F12) [Captured from Birds]
Dante (I2)
Virgil (I3)
Austin (I4) [Acropolis][Captured from Texas]
Houston (I5) [Captured from Texas]
Texarkana (H4) [Captured from Texas]
El Paso (G4) [Captured from Texas]

Wonders:
Trojan Horse (I12) Kyoto
Acropolis (I4) Austin
Jihad (I11) Tokyo

[DarkCloud]

I think that does it for this round- sorry to see you knocked out EPW. .. I guess if we were going to write a strategy guide, there would be a recommendation not to build cities in a straight line in order to better avoid a sneak attack- I think that's what really did you in... otherwise Jonny couldn't have afforded to border your city on all sides.

After we get the rules worked out, it would be interesting to write some strategies!

If you have any thoughts on improving the game, please stick around and add the rules suggestions. We know we still need to balance some things, like I really think we should add that immunity from spy sabotauge special power to the colosseum, to make it more useful.

Thanks for playing!
~DC.

[MJW]

((A / DT) - (D / DC)) * (AT / DT)

Note the * NOT minus sign. So I should get 60/9 6 citys instead.

[Theben]

Did someone research tech 10? I ask b/c the cost is halved.

[Theben]

Also you made sure that MJW and Jonny only were able to tax 12 cities, right?

[DarkCloud]

MJW... I'm pretty sure the # of cities captured is correct:

*MJW--Spaced War calculations:

((60/9)-(0/14)) x 6/9
6.67 * .67

is the same as your formula. When you multiply by a number less than one, less cities are lost.

If it had been 6.67x1 you would have 6 cities.

But 6.67x.67 means less than 6... in this case 4.5, or 4, rounding down.

[MJW]

I see...