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  • No. This guy was one of the founders of Rockstar Games: the company that created* the original GTA games and who bought out DMA (it's one of the subsidiaries of their company - they gave it the task of developing GTA III, which RG directly oversaw [one of the RG founders was executive producer of the game and directed the production] - another company in Leeds did the portable GTA games). Of course, as you know, Rockstar publishes all sorts of games apart from the GTA series. The guy in question ended up working for Take Two but apparently got fed up.

    His name was Terry Donovan, and he holds a BA in Philosophy from the University of Birmingham. The other two founders were brothers and they went to school together.

    So next time, try thinking before you open your gigantic trap. You just walked into this as usual with your foghorn voice blaring so loud that you forgot to think you might be wrong. In this case you were. Now you'll try to weasel out of it, but too late.

    Owned again.

    *edit: I was mistaken about them creating the original game (if Wired are to be believed). It was originally something else, but Rockstar took it on and developed the concept into GTA. Sam Houser was responsible for most of GTA III: according to Wired he "micromanaged" it.
    Last edited by Agathon; May 7, 2008, 11:58.
    Only feebs vote.

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    • I was mistaken

      You lied as usual and you were caught by me, as usual.

      Nothing to see here, folks.

      More specifically, this guy's first game credit came on an expansion pack to the original GTA.

      Terry Donovan has been Vice-President of Marketing for Take-Two since June 1999. Mr. Donovan has been responsible for managing Take-Two and Rockstar Games' marketing, branding and public relations campaigns. Prior to joining Take-Two Interactive, Mr....


      His credit for that game?

      Additional Music researched by Terry Donovan


      Oh yeah. Philosophy majors at work.
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      • "Terry Donovan has been Vice-President of Marketing for Take-Two since June 1999. Mr. Donovan has been responsible for managing Take-Two and Rockstar Games' marketing, branding and public relations campaigns. Prior to joining Take-Two Interactive, Mr. Donovan worked for BMG for five years eventually managing a group of seven labels. Mr. Donovan earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy from Birmingham University in the United Kingdom."

        not a minor player, I think.
        "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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        • Originally posted by lord of the mark
          "Terry Donovan has been Vice-President of Marketing for Take-Two since June 1999. Mr. Donovan has been responsible for managing Take-Two and Rockstar Games' marketing, branding and public relations campaigns. Prior to joining Take-Two Interactive, Mr. Donovan worked for BMG for five years eventually managing a group of seven labels. Mr. Donovan earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy from Birmingham University in the United Kingdom."

          not a minor player, I think.
          Never said he was in the big picture, but here are the key points you and Aggie both missed:

          1) He did not create the game nor the concept, by the time he was around the expansion pack for the original GTA was being released.
          2) He did not work in ANY capacity on GTA4

          Both are key points considering what I said was:
          For the record, I can guarantee you no philosophy majors worked on the game.

          And what Aggie said was:
          No, but one of them co-founded the company that created the game


          My comment stands as truth, the guy Aggie used as counterexample never touched the game. Further, the guy he used as a counterexample never co-founded the company that created GTA either. He did co-found the eventual publisher of GTA's expansion, and GTA2/3/4. But the people who CREATED the game? No.

          Stop moving the goalposts please.

          FWIW, this guy was also an incredibly minor player in terms of actual game creation (his role is limited to music selection, from his credits...)
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • Originally posted by lord of the mark
            "Terry Donovan has been Vice-President of Marketing for Take-Two since June 1999. Mr. Donovan has been responsible for managing Take-Two and Rockstar Games' marketing, branding and public relations campaigns. Prior to joining Take-Two Interactive, Mr. Donovan worked for BMG for five years eventually managing a group of seven labels. Mr. Donovan earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy from Birmingham University in the United Kingdom."

            not a minor player, I think.
            Nope. Especially considering that the campaign for GTA played the media like a Strad.

            As I understand it, none of the original three guys were programmers. They worked in the music industry. I guess they just used the programmers as their peons.

            Asher owned.
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            • Originally posted by Agathon


              Nope. Especially considering that the campaign for GTA played the media like a Strad.

              As I understand it, none of the original three guys were programmers. They worked in the music industry. I guess they just used the programmers as their peons.

              Asher owned.
              Are you seriously brain damaged?

              My comment was:
              For the record, I can guarantee you no philosophy majors worked on the game.


              You then went on and on about some record company guy who is credited for picking some songs on the GTA1 expansion pack and in no way co-founded the company that created GTA (rather co-founded the company that produced most GTA games), and then you claim I'm owned?

              Unreal.

              Furthermore, this guy is not only a minor player w.r.t. GTA4, he's a non-existent player. He didn't do anything at all on GTA4, marketing, management, musical selection, or otherwise.

              You are both owned and exposed as goal-post moving twits.
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              • Because I'm tired of this misinformation and general stupidity, here are the real-world facts.

                Grand Theft Auto is the brain child of David Jones, who is a PROGRAMMER. David Jones founded DMA Designs which created the game Grand Theft Auto (1).

                The publisher of this game was an upstart part of BMG called BMG Interactive. The people Agathon keeps claiming created the game were part of BMG Interactive, who signed up to release the game in the role of producers and subsequently left BMG to start their own "label" called "Rockstar".

                DMA Designs and David Jones created the concept and created the game. The Houser brothers and Donovan were not part of the game developers, they were actually producers.

                What Agathon is doing is confusing the producer with the artist. In the music world, it's like confusing Neil Young with the founder of his record label and saying the founder of the record label created Young's music. That's just ridiculous.

                DMA Designs is now "Rockstar North", but is not to be confused with "Rockstar" (the game publisher, which is their parent company). Donovan and the Housers are pretty much promoters and marketers, they grew up wanting to be rockstars and record producers and just ended up producing a video game instead. That doesn't make them the artist.

                If you are still confused after this lesson, kindly jump off a cliff.

                Little known fact: Nintendo recruited DMA Designs to be part of their 'Dream Team' and develop N64 games alongside Rare and Lucastarts. DMA Designs produced a (somewhat flawed) revolutionary game called 'Body Harvest'. 'Body Harvest' is the spiritual predecessor to 'Grand Theft Auto 3' due to its unique open world concept. Nintendo refused to publish it unless DMA Designs made massive changes to make it more appealing to the Japanese market. DMA Designs ended up releasing the game much later on the N64 with a new publisher, but felt screwed by Nintendo so they abandoned the system to work on their next title, "Grand Theft Auto 2" on Playstation and PC only.
                Last edited by Asher; May 7, 2008, 21:19.
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                • Originally posted by Asher

                  Furthermore, this guy is not only a minor player w.r.t. GTA4, he's a non-existent player. He didn't do anything at all on GTA4, marketing, management, musical selection, or otherwise.
                  I am confused. Who did the marketing for GTA4? Moby doesnt have the credits up. It does say Rockstar (not Taketwo Corporate) is the publisher. The Moby bio says Donovan does marketing for Taketwo AND Rockstar.

                  Perhaps Ive been misled by Moby.

                  And I never stated that he had worked on the game, as programmer, designer, or whatever, merely that we he was "not a minor player", so I dont see how Ive moved the goal posts.
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                  • Donovan hasn't worked for Taketwo OR Rockstar since September 2006.

                    Take-Two confirms that cofounder, managing director of label has moved on from the company.


                    The companies even belittled his contributions...
                    A representative with Take-Two Interactive today confirmed for GameSpot that Terry Donovan, managing director and cofounder of the publisher's Rockstar Games label, has left the company. Donovan took a leave of absence from the company in September and then decided last month that he would not be returning, the representative said.

                    While Donovan was a cofounder of Rockstar, the representative said the studio would be able to carry on unhindered. Many of Donovan's duties--which primarily dealt with publishing and marketing the company's games--have already been accounted for, he said, as Take-Two last week announced that Capcom's European managing director Gary Dale had been appointed as Rockstar's COO.


                    So as you can see, Agathon was clearly wrong in his "correction" to my statement.
                    Last edited by Asher; May 7, 2008, 22:11.
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                    • Originally posted by Asher
                      Donovan hasn't worked for Taketwo OR Rockstar since September 2006.
                      Well then I guess I can't count on Moby to be upto date on bio's, now can I?
                      "A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber

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                      • Hands up, everyone who gives a **** about this conversation.





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                        • One-sided conversations are seldom interesting to outsiders.

                          You can't blame me for baiting Agathon when he proudly proclaims he never reads my posts, then ends up replying to them.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                          • So what's the verdict? Is GTA the best game ever or are those reviews a joke?

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                            • I wouldn't call it the best game ever, but I'm having a blast.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                              • great game, highly recommended, not the best ever.

                                Now my complaint is the scripting and lack of freedom in mission.
                                An example-When faustin has you crack a biker's skull for messing with his daughter. the tutorial tells you how to shoot at the other bike, yet, there's nothing you can actually do until tracking him to a park.

                                Also-I used a bus I jacked to try to block an escape route for a car in a Manny mission, and the car/truck miraculously teleported the bus across the street. brilliant!

                                checkpoints also realllypiss me off. failing a mission at the end and then having to restart and drive my ass back to the beginning? yuck.

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