Biggest Gaming Event in History: Halo 3 has arrived

[Wiglaf]

Originally posted by ZargonX




You responded almost word for word as expected. You're a programmer, you should probably just write a script that will auto-respond for you.

Now, for anyone else with reading comprehension and without a giant chip on their shoulder, I think they'll find the discussion interesting.

It's a good article. Particularly interesting is the PR machine behind Halo, trying to make this a cultural milestone more than just a rehash of Halo 1 and 2.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher


Ah, THE Rob Fermier. The fact that he posts on quartertothree instantly validates the fake console review that was published.

I did some research for you. He's an Ensemble playtester! Oh, the prestige of being an "INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL":

http://www.mobygames.com/game/window...es-iii/credits

lead programmer on Age of Mythology, among many other credits.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/age-of-mythology-the-titans/credits

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
The different LOTR's were story-based.

While single-player campaigns in Halo are, clearly, not.

Is your argument it is revolutionary because Halo 1 and 2 were revolutionary? At what point should the Halo games innovate?

Halo games have innovated.

Halo (1) was a major innovation and influence for all recent FPS games. Is this even up for debate?

Halo 2 was a major innovation in the multiplayer gaming front. There were no server hosting/game joinings, etc. Until Halo 3's launch, it was for 3 years running the most popular online game outside of MMORPGs.

Halo 3 is a major innovation in community-driven content and multiplayer as well.

The single player, since the original, has received tweaks and improvement but nothing major. And that's how it should be -- what else could they do aside from **** it up (like Metroid Prime 2...)

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike
Clearly the Warcraft games are not a trilogy and the Halo games are. I know people want to argue with Asher because of his standard love-it-hate-it-there's-never-any-middle-ground approach to almost any issue, but please pick more sensible fights.

I will be happy to act as arbiter on whether or not arguments should be pursued.

spikey, Ive just finished HL, as you know, and you have recommended I play HL2. Does HL2 just continue the story with minor game play changes, or are there important gameplay changes?

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Asher
I'm still without a console, the ****ers.

Did I mention I just received confirmation that my pre-order is in the post for the UK release tomorrow?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
It's a good article. Particularly interesting is the PR machine behind Halo, trying to make this a cultural milestone more than just a rehash of Halo 1 and 2.

The article is garbage. It's someone who hasn't played Halo, doesn't like Halo, doesn't like FPSes, and admits part of the reason she doesn't is snobbery.

Blame PR all you want, maybe people just find the game to be good? Duh?

It's a retarded article by someone who has no concept of the subject matter, which is why I'm not surprised you found it insightful, Wiggy.

[Wiglaf]

They wouldn't get sales like this unless Halo 3 was an "event." Nevermind the fact the game is nothing people haven't played before.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
lead programmer on Age of Mythology, among many other credits.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/window...titans/credits

Age of Mythology.

Was terrible. Why did they **** with Age of Empires? I'd like to strangle the leads on that title.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
They wouldn't get sales like this unless Halo 3 was an "event."

Gee, I wonder why it's such a big deal. It's not like people have been waiting 3 years for the Halo 2 cliffhanger to get solved or to play the sequel to a game they enjoyed immensely?

Yeah, it's all PR. The game's no good, it's all PR.

Intelligent article from a splendidly intelligent site, backed up by predictably intelligent Poly posters.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Asher

Age of Mythology.

Was terrible. Why did they **** with Age of Empires? I'd like to strangle the leads on that title.

I dunno, Ive played AOE1 and AOE2, and neither in MP, so Im one of their many non-gamer fans and ive never played AOM.

But Fermier was lead designer on one of Ensembles most important games.

apparently folks on Beyond 3d, that excellent gaming site, follow Fermiers blog, and look to it for info on Halo Wars.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=839907

FTW

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


spikey, Ive just finished HL, as you know, and you have recommended I play HL2. Does HL2 just continue the story with minor game play changes, or are there important gameplay changes?

Not sure what it has to do with this thread or the post you quoted but I think I said you might as well play Opposing Force through if you had it. That's actually an expansion to the first game, although it's a self contained story.

HL2 gameplay is pretty similar (althoug there are some new puzzles based around the physics in the game) to HL, and the story continues where you left off.

[Wiglaf]

Gee, I wonder why it's such a big deal. It's not like people have been waiting 3 years for the Halo 2 cliffhanger to get solved or to play the sequel to a game they enjoyed immensely?

Yeah, it's all PR. The game's no good, it's all PR.

Intelligent article from a splendidly intelligent site, backed up by predictably intelligent Poly posters.

PR certainly helps, that is why it exists. MS would not spend millions and millions on PR if the game would fly off shelves anyway. Logic 101.

PR helps make a rehash of two games with weak stories suddenly become an "event" that resolves the questions lingering on everyone's minds.

[Asher]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

I dunno, Ive played AOE1 and AOE2, and neither in MP, so Im one of their many non-gamer fans and ive never played AOM.

But Fermier was lead designer on one of Ensembles most important games.

Lead Designer on which game?

I don't see any titles like that for him.


"Lead Programmer" can best be named "Chief Codemonkey".

Edit: While Ensemble is not a second-rate studio IMO, the presence of one employee on message board does not make it a bastion of "industry professionals", given that most of the "pros" you site make no-name games that no one likes, nor buys. The site is just a gaming site like any other, there are more credible industry pros on IGN forums than that. And it doesn't make the review any more credible, either.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
PR certainly helps, that is why it exists. MS would not spend millions and millions on PR if the game would fly off shelves anyway. Logic 101.

No one said PR doesn't help. Reading 201.

PR helps make a rehash of two games with weak stories suddenly become an "event" that resolves the questions lingering on everyone's minds.

Now you're saying Halo 3 is a "rehash". Right. How much have you played? Are you basing this "rehash" comment on the glowing reviews, or your own gameplay?

Right. Move along...

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Not sure what it has to do with this thread or the post you quoted but I think I said you might as well play Opposing Force through if you had it. That's actually an expansion to the first game, although it's a self contained story.

HL2 gameplay is pretty similar (althoug there are some new puzzles based around the physics in the game) to HL, and the story continues where you left off.

just trying to get a sense of if its routine in FPS series (as opposed to RTS or TBS) to just continue the story with no major game play changes. Using the only FPS ive played as a basis for understanding.