Sony is pathetic.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Agathon
You suck at tech. That is the problem.

The only person I know who ever had real trouble with an iPod. Just accept that you are a tech loser, and take up macrame or something.

Yet another personal attack.

[Kataphraktoi]

I suppose everyone else having problems also sucks, and is emiting ''suck vibrations'' preventing their tech from working

[dannubis]

Originally posted by Asher

Yet another personal attack.

Like you don't do that

[rah]

CHILL or be Chilled.

[Asher]

Agathon was warned twice in the past week, when does he get banned? He's upping the ante in his attacks.

[Asher]

More awesomeness from Sony.

FW 2.0 was released, a minor version bump with a major version number. Everyone is forced to upgrade. Random crashes ensue.

Sony rushes out FW 2.01. Everyone is forced to upgrade. Again, it downloads the entire FW image and does a 10 minute install process for a minor patch.

Now people can't play online games. Same issue they had earlier with other rushed out firmware updates.

[El_Cid]

The best console, in terms of variety of great games+huge library is the PS2.

If you have to have a console that is still probably the best option. And I dont even own one - so thats about as impartial a view as you are likely to find here.......i suspect.

[DrSpike]

No, since you have your next gen is evil agenda to push.

Frankly, although the PS2 does have a large library of good games, the Xbox has reached critical mass where you can hardly play the great games coming out before new ones arrive you want to play. Someone buying a console now will probably never run out.

And, simply put, the best of the Xbox 360 is better than the best of the PS2, as you would expect.

In summation, you are incorrect.

[El_Cid]

Originally posted by DrSpike
No, since you have your next gen is evil agenda to push.

Frankly, although the PS2 does have a large library of good games, the Xbox has reached critical mass where you can hardly play the great games coming out before new ones arrive you want to play. Someone buying a console now will probably never run out.

And, simply put, the best of the Xbox 360 is better than the best of the PS2, as you would expect.

In summation, you are incorrect.

The games I have played on 360 and seen being played on 360 only have one advantage - that of graphical quality. If you dont want to only play FPS shooters(god forbid!), even very good looking ones - the PS2 has an infinately larger selection of great games, mostly down to i suspect the sometimes unusual approach of the japanese when it comes to game creation.

FPS shooters/Great looking car racing games/EA sports games - yes the 360 IS the better platform....if it's mostly about graphical quality.

Just because the latest game in a franchise is the latest doesn't mean it is the greatest - the history of computer games is littered with examples of this.

Anything else, rpg's...loco roco's, combat fighters, all sorts of stuff, the PS2 wins hands down.

Thats my conclusion after having looked at all the titles available for both platforms. Of course the 360 is a current platform, with at least a few years of active development for it in the pipe-line(PS2? who cansay?)....so you never know, I may be saying in two years time that the 360 is the best platform.

But right now the PS2 beats any other console hands down in the quantity, quality and sheer variety of games you can play on it.

In summation YOU good sir are currently incorrect..........but are certainly entitled to your opinion, as i am to mine.

[FrostyBoy]

yup, I find most Amiga games to be more fun than any games I have played on PC's or any other console. But one problem is that I find it hard to go back, the lack of graphics just kills it for me, I need to believe I am there, Crysis does a great job at that.

[UnOrthOdOx]

PS2 the best?

Yes, they are the cheapest. Yes, they have the "largest library".

We've owned a PS2 since it came out. And, due to the fact we only buy very few games, rent a few more, I'ld say we haven't even scratched the surface of their library.

There are plenty of games in the library that got great ratings, and I want to try. Plenty more the kids want.

The trouble, and a large reason we're looking to upgrade to a next gen system this Christmas, is two fold.

First, the vast library exists largely on paper only. You are forced to search for used copies, and pray they work. It's rather difficult to FIND what you want. In fact, the last 6 or so titles the kids have bought have ended up used copies. We've had both good and bad luck (2/6 did not work) with those copies, but at least the local stores take them back for store credit if they end up being unworking copies. The internet typically doesn't have that safeguard, but would likely be a lot easier to find what you wanted.

The new games coming out for the PS2 are typically not as good as the versions for the next gen systems. And, no, it's not just the graphics. There was a time when it was just the graphics. The games were made, essentially, for the PS2, then given a graphical upgrade. That has changed. Read up on games in developement and you often see the PS2 versions are a completely seperate build, because it lacks the power to do whatever gameplay wise. A lot of times, the PS2 version is even being outsourced, and not developed by the main companies. That's not to say the PS2 version will be BAD, neccessarily. Just that it will not compare to the Next Gen systems. Especially if you factor in the ability for the 360/PS3 to add patches to games if needed.

So, I would say the PS2 was still the best option a year ago. Games were still made, more or less, with 'last gen' in mind at that point, and the 'next gen' games were, in large part, merely graphical upgrades (yes some exceptions existed). That corner has been turned at some point this year, and the PS2 is now the afterthought on developers minds. Especially with the internet capabilities of the next gen systems. And the ports to the PS2 are lacking in quality. Yes, there are still exceptions on that end too.

That's my opinion, anyway, as a PS2 owner who feels he now needs to upgrade.

[El_Cid]

@UnOrthOdOx, you make some good points, and as an actual PS2 owner I'm not going to tell you about a console I don't own

Still the bit below is, even after your post, quite probably true at this momment in time........and possibly a little while longer?

Originally posted by El_Cid
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But right now the PS2 beats any other console hands down in the quantity, quality and sheer variety of games you can play on it.
.............

From what I've experienced of next-gen(mostly 360) it really is bringing nothing that new or amazing to any gaming we've had before(bar graphics).

Yes maybe the whole on-line thing is much more solid for consoles(at last!) , but I can honestly say I've never personaly had an amazing on-line experience console gaming.......I just get no satisfaction what so ever about beating or being beat by(or just having quit on me) some schmuk who screams/posts like(to be blunt) a ******, has worse spelling than i do or keeps asking if i'm a chick etc etc.

For me the whole problem with on-line gaming is most often the other players. It's certainly not something I would ever in a month of sundays consider paying for!

For decades (atleast) we are constantly told how the next step-up in hardware will mean gaming nivarna. And to be honest it never is as simple as that. Your hardware can only run whats programmed for it.

My main concern with next-gen is the amount of focus+effort developers HAVE to put into how the game looks as there is a certain level of expectation. This DOES pull resources away from the more interesting(to me) parts of game design and developement(layers of complexity, subtleness, clever AI, thought provoking choices etc). They all now very much seem about the 'gloss'.

That's why, without exception so far, I've not seen or played a game yet on any next-gen platform that makes me willing to buy into it.

@ Dr.Spike I don't have a 'crusade' against next-gen, I just have not bought into it. I'm perfectly happy to wait to be proven wrong, but at this point in time my current platforms do any gaming better than anything i've experienced on next-gen.

My next console will be a PS2 for the reasons i've already mentioned.

Next-gen is so far of my radar it would have to greatly improve the interest in its games for me to partake, but to be honest it's all so comercial now; games are the way they are because they provide the quickest turn around of profits for the games companies(being short, shallow and easy to finish in sp etc etc).

There is no agenda here, no 'console war', no favoritism(i'm neither American nor Japanese, nor do i work for any console company etc), just an experienced and honest view on the issue. You don't have to agree of course.

[Asher]

From what I've experienced of next-gen(mostly 360) it really is bringing nothing that new or amazing to any gaming we've had before(bar graphics).

You clearly don't value multiplayer at all.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by El_Cid


The games I have played on 360 and seen being played on 360 only have one advantage - that of graphical quality. If you dont want to only play FPS shooters(god forbid!), even very good looking ones - the PS2 has an infinately larger selection of great games, mostly down to i suspect the sometimes unusual approach of the japanese when it comes to game creation.

FPS shooters/Great looking car racing games/EA sports games - yes the 360 IS the better platform....if it's mostly about graphical quality.

Just because the latest game in a franchise is the latest doesn't mean it is the greatest - the history of computer games is littered with examples of this.

Anything else, rpg's...loco roco's, combat fighters, all sorts of stuff, the PS2 wins hands down.

The Xbox 360 doesn't just have better looking games - they are better period. Now that Mass Effect is out you can take any genre and the Xbox 360 will have a better game in it than the PS2.

You can play the opinion card if you want - but you should at least acknowledge that you are in the extreme minority, as you can see by doing even a smidgin of research online.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Asher

From what I've experienced of next-gen(mostly 360) it really is bringing nothing that new or amazing to any gaming we've had before(bar graphics).

You clearly don't value multiplayer at all.

I'm disappointed at you - by making it about SP/MP you leave open the possibility that the rest of his thesis is correct.

You should be addressing his points at the source as crushingly as possible.