World of Warcraft

[Sparrowhawk]

Yes, I had done the cure poison quest and had the spell, I used it on my ally, and tried using it on the pet but it wouldn't let me. Not sure if I was doing something wrong or if you can't heal pets.

As for the Den Mother quest, I partnered at level 19 with the level 16 hunter, I asked him to take out the cubs while I took on the den mother. What I hoped to do was pull out the cubs first, kill them and then go after the mother (I had been able to kill the cubs solo, I just died previously when there was a cub or two left and I couldn't finish her off). Anyway this hunter and I arrive at the cave and he immediately attacks the mother, so she and all her cubs come running. Thankfully we were able to kill her before she killed us, his cat and all the bears were dead and neither of us had much health left, but we completed it.

By the way, I am now level 20 and should be able to get cat form now I think (that's the last thing I am going to do before going to bed).

/me

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Dis
I deleted my mage because I found out I made a typo in my name. .

[Blake]

Originally posted by Dis
trolls are the ****.

QFT .

[Dis]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
Yes, I had done the cure poison quest and had the spell, I used it on my ally, and tried using it on the pet but it wouldn't let me. Not sure if I was doing something wrong or if you can't heal pets.

As for the Den Mother quest, I partnered at level 19 with the level 16 hunter, I asked him to take out the cubs while I took on the den mother. What I hoped to do was pull out the cubs first, kill them and then go after the mother (I had been able to kill the cubs solo, I just died previously when there was a cub or two left and I couldn't finish her off). Anyway this hunter and I arrive at the cave and he immediately attacks the mother, so she and all her cubs come running. Thankfully we were able to kill her before she killed us, his cat and all the bears were dead and neither of us had much health left, but we completed it.

By the way, I am now level 20 and should be able to get cat form now I think (that's the last thing I am going to do before going to bed).

* Sparrowhawk

yeah no quest for cat form, just get it from the trainer. Thing will be a bit different for cat form.

You will build up combo points by using an attack (can't think of name right now), and then rip is the finishing move. Which will cause dot (damage over time) damage. This is a bit different from the rogues eviscerate, as you want to get the rip in early enough to make a difference. No sense ripping at the end of the fight, there will be no time for the damage over time to set in.

For solo questing, cat form is best. Come out of cat form early if you start taking lots of damage, heal, and then go to bear form (or cat form- but you won't have any energy to start).

For parties, you may want to stay in bear form if you are with ranged attackers or casters such as hunters, mages, warlocks etc. But if you have a paladin or warrior to do the tanking you can stay in cat form. Or just stay in caster form and cast starfire, moonfire, and the like. burns a lot of mana though. And if they need healing, you'll have to come out of cat form and heal them.

What form you will stay in most will determine what gear you need. When you are in cat or bear form, the attribute bonuses to items still apply. So any gear with + agility, strength, or stamina is still useful. You may want to carry +int and spirit gear if you find yourself in a party that requires you to heal frequently.

Also at level 20 you will get a spell to resurrect. You will have to buy maple seeds from a reagent vendor. The spell has a cooldown of 30 minutes. so you can only res once every 30 minutes. Keep that in mind if you are the main healer in an instance.

[Jon Miller]

I use to carry around 3 sets of gear

1 set which was armor focused, for tanking

1 set that was strength focused, for DPS/solo

1 set that was Int/Healing/Spirit focused for groups when I wasn't tanking

but currently, I just want to level, so I got rid of the set for Int/Healing

JM

[Dis]

I'm going to post this in allkazam, but how in the world does a druid bear tank?

I did my first tanking last night, I wasn't prepared for it.

We just finished rfc with a level 15 tanks, and me healing. That same level 15 was in wailing caverns, and I was tanking, and a 16 druid was healing me.

I hate tanking, I don't trust the healers, and they let me die. One time he was out of mana, the other time he said he was put to sleep (and those druids do put to sleep). The second time was a complete wipe, group falls apart.

It was a bad pug group. Hunter not using pet. I know some people don't like hunters to use their pets in instances, but that's just stupid. I know about hunters, pets make up a good portion of their dps. No bow will do as much dps as another 2 handed weapon on a warrior, shaman, or pally. A druid in caster form using a staff could probably out dps a hunter without a pet. Well maybe if he used moonfire too .

It's hard being a tank, it was my first tanking experience. All the flashes from the spell effects kind of blind me in a way. It's all happening right in front of you, it makes it difficult to keep track of what's going on elsewhere. mages kept frost nova everything.

What I resulted in doing was attacking one a few times, switching to another, attack it a few times, and doing another. But then the first one I started attacking will lose me and go after a mage or the level 15 warrior. Perhaps I should have let him off tank, but I felt he was too low for the instance.

All I have is growl, which can only be used if they aren't attacking you. Does demorilizing roar do any threat? Is there any way to get aoe threat generation like thunderclap? And I don't have defensive stance to automatically generate 10% more. My only hope seems to be to do more damage than the mage. But I'm lucky to get one hit in before that fireball lands. What happened was I was moving so fast in an attempt to get a couple hits in before the fireballs came in, I think I moved too fast to allow the other druid to regain mana.

[Blake]

Um tanking becomes a lot easier once you have the right tanking tools. Don't judge any character or play style pre lvl30. A warrior will have just as much, if not more, trouble at lvl15 (although I can't remember precisely when thunderclap / swipe become available, but druids are basically innately better tanks than warriors when poorly geared).

As a tank, you need Feral Charge, it's supremely useful. Well you'll see what I mean if you bear tank a lot :P.

Your agro abilities are:
Damage spells and heals (particularly HoTs which if they heal damage will generate threat for you).
Demo Roar (it does a little).
Thorns - only cast this on yourself.
Swipe (spam)
Bash (also very useful)
Maul...
And pretty much if you can do it it creates agro or attention :P.


Pre Feral Charge you can't be a particularly good tank, but with it, and combined with bash, you can pin down a mob for a significant amount of time, so however insolent your DPS is you'll still be able to build threat.


At lower levels you basically need a healer who is not an idiot and DPS who aren't idiots (although as long as the healer lets them die it's not such a big deal - they learn). At higher levels the druid has enough tricks that you can just work your furry butt off keeping things under control :P


To deal with multiple mobs you start with a demo roar and then spam swipe, as long as your DPS aren't idiots you'll have no trouble holding both the heal agro and the damage agro from DPS (unless they are idiot mages and even then FC + Bash can work...). If your DPS are idiots then the healer has to know to let them die...

[Dis]

yeah I don't have swipe yet, looking forward to that.

Well I finally have my first level 70 character. My hunter of course. Hunters are so overpowered in pve it isn't even funny. He's just a killing machine. I did 1 and 1/4 levels in about 12 hours. I still have to get my pet to 70 though. And then building rep, making gold, and getting better items...

I delayed it a bit as I was busy palying my alts. I have 5 other alts I like alot. My warlock, my shaman, my druid, my paladin, and my mage. I also have a level 26 warrior, but she's alliance. I try and try, but just can't get into alliance. Eventually I may play her and try to get her up. I had a priest and rogue at one time, but I deleted them. I may eventually do a rogue some day, but definately not blood elf. Maybe troll.

How common is account hacking in this game? What should I do to prevent it? one of my guildmates (of my many guilds I'm in) said his account was hacked and his characters deleted. I'm usually skeptical of stories like this. It seems some people like to fish for attention and/or gold. I would just cry if my level 70 got deleted. I have a decently long password, but I do share that password with other sites. But it's not something you could easily guess, it's a mix of letters and numbers.

I was worried I was getting bored of my hunter and would never get him to 70, but I finally did it. He has over 1100 gold now too. But I need alot more for an epic flying mount. I'm still not sure where to go from here. There's still a lot of game concepts I don't know about. How do I build a lot of rep with the aldors and other factions? I need to look all that stuff up. And I still want to play my alts, I love them. They can't kill as fast as a hunter, but they are fun to play. So we'll see where I go from here...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Blake
Um tanking becomes a lot easier once you have the right tanking tools. Don't judge any character or play style pre lvl30. A warrior will have just as much, if not more, trouble at lvl15 (although I can't remember precisely when thunderclap / swipe become available, but druids are basically innately better tanks than warriors when poorly geared).

As a tank, you need Feral Charge, it's supremely useful. Well you'll see what I mean if you bear tank a lot :P.

Your agro abilities are:
Damage spells and heals (particularly HoTs which if they heal damage will generate threat for you).
Demo Roar (it does a little).
Thorns - only cast this on yourself.
Swipe (spam)
Bash (also very useful)
Maul...
And pretty much if you can do it it creates agro or attention :P.


Pre Feral Charge you can't be a particularly good tank, but with it, and combined with bash, you can pin down a mob for a significant amount of time, so however insolent your DPS is you'll still be able to build threat.


At lower levels you basically need a healer who is not an idiot and DPS who aren't idiots (although as long as the healer lets them die it's not such a big deal - they learn). At higher levels the druid has enough tricks that you can just work your furry butt off keeping things under control :P


To deal with multiple mobs you start with a demo roar and then spam swipe, as long as your DPS aren't idiots you'll have no trouble holding both the heal agro and the damage agro from DPS (unless they are idiot mages and even then FC + Bash can work...). If your DPS are idiots then the healer has to know to let them die...

I have tanked most everything pre level 50 (Princess on Maurdan is highest level I have tanked), and I don't use Feral Charge that much. I mostly keep aggro so that the mobs never get far enough away to feral charge. I do admit that earlier I sometimes had a bit of an issue with multiple enemies, but that is because the hunter started with an AoE attack, before I had had time to build aggro with the multiple mobs.

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Also, Feral Fairy Fire is a source of free aggro. And Mangle helps alot in keeping aggro to 1-2 targets.

JM

[Dis]

is it a good idea to go out of bear form in between fights to cast hot's on yourself?

not only did I have to tank, I had to buff everyone, the other druid can do this... Granted I had a lot more mana, he just didn't have enough at 16 to keep me healed.

[Blake]

You should go out of bear form because then you can open battles with Moonfire. This can actually be useful with ignorant DPS as a way to say "ATTACK THIS ONE".

The exception to leaving bear form is if you have some rage you wish to keep and the party is moving quickly.

Whether you heal yourself or not... it hardly matters. I find usually the healer keeps the tank pretty much fully healed, it can help to cast a hot on yourself before engaging but note that only healing which actually heals damage causes agro, so you need to engage the mobs very quickly and get them damaging you.
(Okay if your party has a Warlock then you can use your mana between battles to heal his lifetaps, something the main healer doesn't want to do because it'd slow things down. But as a druid tank you don't need your mana. As a bonus you'll probably gain a Warlock pet, he'll want to party with you all the time )

As for Feral Charge, the more retarded your party, the more useful it is. Sure if your party lets you keep the mobs nicely bunched up and let you build agro it's of no consequence, but if things get a bit out of control it f&*%ing rules, as a FC maniac I actually liked the borderline retarded teams because it's just fun bouncing around the battle "like a big furry tick" keeping things under control.

Good Druids make excellent party-glue, it's difficult for a party to fall apart with a competent druid - especially in the off-tank role, but even main tank the Druid is in many ways nicer than a warrior (innervate priest hello?).

Btw dis, if you had more mana why didn't you heal while the other druid tanked?

[Jon Miller]

The other druid was much lower level, I think. Level is most imporant for the tank, and least for the healer. I have main healed instances where I couldn't really hit the mobs (as Druid). (when survival spec)

I generally request to be made party leader, and use the icons to instruct others. Or someone else is the party leader, and instructs me/others who to dps/cc/ot. I also often pull with feral fairy fire, I just go out of bear if out of battle healing is really needed, or if buffs have worn out. If I had more of a survival build rather then a full feral build, I would start the fights out of bear to get the bonus rage at the beggining of the fight (I also have the blue hat that gives energy/rage when transforming to cat/bear, but haven't been wearing it in full feral (besides, it is sohwing its age)).

I used inervate and out of combat res during Princess *Maurdan* It was a fun fight, and there were holes I could cast in if needed.

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

BTW, with my druid I can take on 3 mobs 3 levels higher then me at once.

Jon Miller

[Sparrowhawk]

I joined a group last night an attempted my first instance.

We started out badly and it got worse from there. While wandering in Westland I was whispered to "What to join a group and try VC?" to which I responded "What's VC?". I received the answer "Deadmines" and was tempted to ask what Deadmines was, but didn't want to seem a total noob........yet

I then proceeded to join the group and while following the person taht invited me to the "Deadmines" (which I finally had to ask where they were, and found out they were in Westfall )....we fought a mob on the way, and received loot that was a green, and not knowing what to do I hit the "Dice" option, after which he asked me why I did that (chose "Need" ) I admited to not knowing what I should have chose when the options came up. He asked "Your a noob arn't you?" and I admitted that I mainly played solo . He explained that if I choose "Need" regularly that I wouldn't get to join many groups (I still don't know what I was supposed to choose ).

Anyway, we met up with the others, and the 5 of us proceeded into the Deadmines, pets and other minions in tow, running so fast I wasn't always sure who the good guys and who the bad guys were. I changed to cat form figuring that I wouldn't be expected to heal or tank, and could safely just be another party member without causing too much damage.

Things got worse when one of our party members died right away, I still am not sure what happened to him but shortly after that I ran off an edge I shouldn't have, right into the middle of a few mobs, elite I think. I died pretty quick, and couldn't get back to my body and find a spot to resurrect myself without getting killed again right away. I tried twice unsuccessfully before I sent a message to my allies letting them know that I wouldn't be continueing and I resurrected in the graveyard feeling totally stupid and a complete failure. Not sure I have made that many mistakes in that short a period in a while.

I think I would be best to stick to solo for a while.

Unfortunately my biggest question from the whole experience is.........How does Deadmines get shortened to the acronym VC?

/me