Oblivion-The best game?

[Dis]

I do want to play it again, but my video card died. I want to give it a second try.

It actually took 3 tries for me to start liking Morrowind. I couldn't get into it at first (never played the other TES games).

I wish I had a card that could run the game. I just wasn't into the game much at the time, because I was really into this girl at the time. Girls take precedence over games. So I lost interest quickly, and never got back into it. And civ4 has been taking all my available free time.

I may end up liking the game. But so far, it doesn't hold my interest as much as Morrowind.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Answer: No.
Reason:
1. Nostalgia over the Ultima series
2. Anticipation of Gothic III

[El_Cid]

Oblivion best TES so far?

Quillian = better
Ball Lightning = better
Jon Miller = better
SirOsis = better

El_Cid = worse
Sir Ralph = worse
AmericanCitizen = worse
Dis = worse
Kinjiru = worse
Kc7mxo = worse?
Tocca42 = worse
Skanky Burns = worse
Apocalypse = worse
_BuRjaCi_ = worse

Not played other TES - but dissapointed

Kassiopeia

It's becoming official - Oblivion really is a poor TES/crpg. Todd what have you done!?

[Sandman]

Would I be the only one who finds the basic 'hit and heal' combat in Oblivion (and indeed most RPGs) rather boring? Even something simple like area-specific damage would liven things up.

[_BuRjaCi_]

Originally posted by Sandman
Would I be the only one who finds the basic 'hit and heal' combat in Oblivion (and indeed most RPGs) rather boring? Even something simple like area-specific damage would liven things up.

I second that.

[El_Cid]

Originally posted by _BuRjaCi_


I second that.

And I'll third it

And it cuts to the chase with my Oblivion disappointment. Oblivion is about bringing LESS detail(bar graphics) to the TES series, not improving or adding upon what has gone before

[Jon Miller]

I don't know.. I T hought the diplo mini game was more involved.

JM

[Apocalypse]

Diplo minigame is pretty easy to figure out though

I have no idea how to do the lockpicking one on the other hand.

[El_Cid]

Its true that at first both the diplo/conversation and lockpicking minigames seem like good additions, and maybe if they were worked upon some more they would be. After you've done them a few times though it becomes easy to work out how to 'win' nearly every time, even as a new char.

Diplo model has no relevance to your skills/stats(you can get a mod that improves this though by making it a bit harder). Its a simple case of going around the wheel making the best choices you can. Bottom line is you can always win, even with the 'grumpier' npcs.
Also i can see what they were aiming at in the design process but just how real is it that in each single conversation with someone you boast,joke,kiss arse and coerce all in the same conversation? Its a bit schizophrenic isnt it?

Ulitimately its a kind of broken mini-game in that you can figure it out pretty quick so it becomes easy to exploit and make the game easier. Still it is a difficult subject to tackle well. Even in Morrowind that whole process didnt quite work well. To fix it it needs to be properly tied in to your stats and npcs need to be much harder to persuade in general, particularily certain chars that just become easy exploits to lots of cash/quest completion. I dont know about you but if someone adopted OB tactics in a real conversation with me i'd probably end up hitting them

Lockpick thing - well kinda reminds me of the Thief games. Still i know some people are able to open level 5 locks from game start. It is tricky but the tactic seems to be to not rush - you have no time limit or anything like that, so if you just relax and wait for the right moment you can nearly succeed everytime, even with a low level char.
Again, as with most of Oblivions problems for me, it comes down to needing to be tied in with your char skills and abilities - this is meant to be an crpg game? Progression of your char - improvement of skills and better chances to succeed - This stuff just doesnt feature in OB, you can succeed at everything from the begining with a little practice. It gives me no sense of achievment when i play it - its just a very pretty picture to explore.

[Harovan]

I heard (without having it tried - and I won't!), that in the lockpicking minigame more important is what you hear than what you see. Could be true, maybe somebody can verify it?

Combat in Oblivion is oversimplified. I expected something like a sophisticated and carefully balanced DnD style combat logic and was bitter disappointed with what I found and which is rather blunt and brute forced. And axes are blunt weapons? WTF? Sure, if you hit with its back, they are.

Oblivion's only strength is graphics, and even that is subject to arguments (look at people's faces and the trouble you have to create a halfway decent looking woman).

You have me in the wrong category, btw. I didn't play previous elder scroll games, and even though a buddy of mine tries to lure me into Morrowind, after that experience and with the prospect of NWN2 coming out soon, not a chance.

[Quillan]

I've also read that, Ralph, but my experience is that sound has nothing to do with it. It's always what I see, not what I hear, that matters. If you're still playing, try this. Just sit there for a while and trip one tumbler over and over again, on a regular cycle, without trying to go too quickly. You'll see that it goes up and down at different speeds. Those speeds also correspond with how long it stays at the top, which is your window to click the mouse button. What you want is to wait for the slooooooow rise, which will have the longest pause, before you click. Your skill has some effect, in that the higher your skill the slower the tumblers move, but it requires a lot of skill to make a noticable difference.

[El_Cid]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
edit.....

You have me in the wrong category, btw. I didn't play previous elder scroll games, and even though a buddy of mine tries to lure me into Morrowind, after that experience and with the prospect of NWN2 coming out soon, not a chance.

ok changed to the same status as Kassiopeia - you do sound dissapointed. Dont be too quick to pass on Morrowind(or Daggerfall), there is a lot more to both these games imho. They are worthy additions to my crpg collection alongside Baldurs Gate/Kotor/Fallout etc. In this analogy OB sits alongside Halo2/Hulk/EA Street football etc for the correct comparisons

Oblivion best TES so far?

Quillian = better
Ball Lightning = better
Jon Miller = better
SirOsis = better

El_Cid = worse
AmericanCitizen = worse
Dis = worse
Kinjiru = worse
Kc7mxo = worse?
Tocca42 = worse
Skanky Burns = worse
Apocalypse = worse
_BuRjaCi_ = worse

Not played other TES - but dissapointed

Kassiopeia
Sir Ralph

Originally posted by Quillian
edit.....Your skill has some effect, in that the higher your skill the slower the tumblers move, but it requires a lot of skill to make a noticable difference.

Yes it is possible i didn't progress far enough to see my skills have a noticable effect on this mini game. Still your method to the game is the one i use also - patience is key, i tended to rush it when i first started, and broke a lot of lockpicks.

[bipolarbear]

I've only played Morrowind as far as other TES titles go. As compared to morrowind, AMAZING. Better graphics, gameplay is easier to follow. Actually a bit too much on that end. I don't like being left without a clue but this game never lets go of your hand.

So next to Morrowind, yes it's a great game, next to the rest of the game market, no.

Don't get me wrong, I love assassinating people for the dark brotherhood, and once you get into the Arcane University there is some cool stuff to see and, but I guess when I stack it next to other games like HL2, or COD2 it just doesn't compare.

The rpg market though does have this godawful turn based, menu scrolling, disembowled pinata of Japanime "thing" t it that I find disgusting, and in that regard Oblivion is a welcome breath of fresh air.

In conclsion when you compare Oblivion to the negative aspects of gaming it looks great, when you look at though next to what it is often compared to, it seems to fall somewhat short.

So it is a good game, and lived up to my expectations more than Fable did, but sadly not to the hype.

[Ball Lightning]

but I guess when I stack it next to other games like HL2, or COD2 it just doesn't compare.

The problem with HL2 is that it is limited, i like games which there are invinite possiblyties, or close to, like: Civ, Oblivion, Sims2

[Jon Miller]

have you checked out the Mod community for HL2?

JM