Hangman Discussion Thread

[DrSpike]

Maybe, but it's more elegant to have it in OT where posts don't count anyway, then threads from Hangman 30 onwards can be kept there.

And let's not forget the issue is not just about posts. That was always a concern, but it is not posts per se that has caused the debate to flare up again. I think a 'fresh' start in OT solves both problems.

Hypothetically, if the game were to move to OT what rules would we use?

[Rasputin]

Originally posted by Jaguar
Rah, I'm not really sure anyone just plays Hangman for the post count.

I did !!!

[rah]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I think moving the game to OT because the owners feel that is what they want to do is fine.

The owners have never expressed an explicit decision.
Because if they had, we wouldn't be having this discusion.
They leave the interpretation to me hence I will listen.




And then make a totally arbitrary decision. j/k

[rah]

Originally posted by joncha
Deleting new threads after they have been closed will have the same effect, I think.

and I could defend this one equally well in the future, and so would agree to it, if that is what people prefer.

This could be the best of both worlds if all the personal crap can be resolved.

[DrSpike]

Edited in quote.

Originally posted by rah


The owners have never expressed an explicit decision.
Because if they had, we wouldn't be having this discusion.
They leave the interpretation to me hence I will listen.




And then make a totally arbitrary decision. j/k

Well the next line of my post covered you.

[duke o' york]

Originally posted by rah

This could be the best of both worlds if all the personal crap can be resolved.

I shan't be playing again if it can't.
Hangman has been great fun to play, and hopefully it will remain so in the future, whatever its future may hold, but if the game is soured by infighting then it's really not worth playing any more.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by rah

This could be the best of both worlds if all the personal crap can be resolved.

Which is why your original instinct to move it to OT was IMO correct.

[joncha]

I don't see how moving it to the OT would make any difference in that regard.

[Chaunk]

I don't play for the post count - if I was solely interested in post count there are better ways to increase that - but I also wouldn't play if the game were moved to the OT. I almost never go there atm, and don't have the time or inclination to change that.

Deleting old threads sounds ok, although I'd rather see them moved somewhere the posts wouldn't count but kept visible. It's good to be able to see the old words after all.

I'm also with duke on this:

Hangman has been great fun to play, and hopefully it will remain so in the future, whatever its future may hold, but if the game is soured by infighting then it's really not worth playing any more.

Truth.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Chaunk
I don't play for the post count - if I was solely interested in post count there are better ways to increase that - but I also wouldn't play if the game were moved to the OT. I almost never go there atm, and don't have the time or inclination to change that.

Deleting old threads sounds ok, although I'd rather see them moved somewhere the posts wouldn't count but kept visible. It's good to be able to see the old words after all.

I'm also with duke on this:

Hangman has been great fun to play, and hopefully it will remain so in the future, whatever its future may hold, but if the game is soured by infighting then it's really not worth playing any more.

Truth.

If I didn't know better I would think Chaunk was my DL. I couldn't have put it better myself.

I also don't play for post count (it took me six years to rise to Emporer) and don't care if the posts are lost but would like to see the threads kept somewhere, if archived in O/T or somewhere else where the count is lost that is fine for me. I don't understand Spike's point about backdating the decision to 2 years ago, if the thread is saved how is the decision backdated?

I generally only play Hangman while waiting for the other FG's to update and haven't played much while dealing with my Og&me addiction recently (as a matter of fact I missed the whole recent arguement ). It is the quickest of the FG's (most of the time, there are some slower updaters, but usually it is still quicker) and as a result I play for a quick escape.

If Hangman is moved to O/T that is fine, but I won't continue playing not because of the post count, but because I usually forget about the O/T, maybe intentionally, maybe subconsciously, but I forget it nonetheless, unless I want an answer to some obscure question, then I forget about it again.

So bottom line I think the best solution would be to save the old threads somewhere so that the history isn't lost (off topic or on some of the more dedicated players hard drives) but to keep the game in Other Games and delete/archive each game as it's thread is closed. In these circumstances I think we will lose those more interested in Post Count then in playing the game but keep those interested in the game, if there are more of the former then the latter, the game dies anyway and the result is the same. If the game moves to O/T and dies, we won't know why it dies.

Bottom line is that the Other Games Forum was dying a slow death before Forum Games, and Hangman was among the first, and the forum is one that is frequented by many (it has been what has kept me at Apolyton for the last several years and was why I signed up for Plus). If we lose Forum Games from OG, does we lose OG eventually as well?

Frequenting OG is what introduced me to Baldur's Gate, the Paradox Games (and the Forum of the same name) and to the aforementioned Og&me. Without Apolyton and Forum Games, I doubt I would have tried any of the above.

/me typing a way longer post then originally intended to defend a game where many of the posts (possibly mine included) are only one letter long

Edit:

The O threads that are also now starting to challange hangman for number of posts on any given day. But reading those threads, you know they're spending hour after hour playing and discussing what's happening.

As one of those playing and posting in the "o threads" (thanks for not saying the full name ), you should know that we have moved the majority of the discussion to Eventis (I even forced myself to join said forum ) in order to maintain privacy, it seemed the odds of getting a private forum on Apolyton were remote

[snoopy369]

I'd like to re-propose something that I think got lost in my long ramble.

Why not have mini games of hangman, limited games which might span a couple of threads but not 30. First to 10, or 15, or 20 - whatever seems appropriately long to give all a decent chance and not be ruined by one or two runs. Then delete or archive or whatever the threads from the mini-game?

Also, I'd strongly argue for deleting old threads if we're going to start deleting new ones. If we have reason to delete new ones, we have the same reason to delete old ones; this isn't something that will have a meaningful effect due to its retroactive nature - it's not like post count matters for anything.

Right?

[Nikolai]

A) Hangman is moved to OT, and the past threads are left to rot as they drop toward the archives. (New rules may be required, but they can be proposed if this option is chosen)

[joncha]

I like the idea of mini-games, either by thread or first to 10 or 20 points. I also think each game should have a GM who either runs all the updates or just has the word sent to him or her for verification.

In fact, flowing from what I suggested earlier, perhaps Spike and I can jointly GM the first mini-game. It will keep us both involved in the game, but remove us both from the competition.

As for post count and spamming, there's got to be a way for us to keep the game here and archive the threads while still not acting as a +1 generator. If there's no easy way to do it, maybe the top five posters in each thread can each take a 100 pcr for the team.

[DrSpike]

I disagree that deleting new threads implies old ones should be deleted. Rules changes, views change, but going back and deleting between 18 months and 2 years of threads accomplishes nothing. As Rah said, previously the game was just about the right side of the line in its case to stay in OG. Now, perhaps it is not. However, any change to the treatment of the game should apply from now, not be backdated to when the change was deemed unnecessary, for no reason whatsoever.

The prior rationale for keeping it in OG was both the nature of the game - that people were putting in effort to make it work - and the good nature of the game. The former remains, but the latter is lost, I fear for good, and it's both elements that would need to be retained for the game to stay here.

Thus the posts issue is actually a red herring, or at least a second tier issue. If the game were to still satisfy the conditions to stay here (which I, and Rah it seems, think it doesn't) then new threads would have to be deleted. This seems inelegant compared to the solution of moving to OT, even if the conditions for staying in OG were satisfied. Also, in OT the threads following 29 could stay in the archive there when completed, which many (including me) think is important.

[Hercules]

I tend to agree with Spikee.