Football Manager 2005(Sega)

[child of Thor]

Re: Re: Football Manager 2005(Sega)

Originally posted by DrSpike


You could have mentioned it to UR.

If only he had asked - still i did post this before he did his CM5 thread.

Anyway i'm going to bore Maq(and anyone else) silly with some training stats

So i'm using three main training regimes(with two coaches assinged to each)+ one for my goalie. The training regimes are broken into morning/afternoon/evening sessions.

First Team - i use this for mostly my midfield players, but i put others in it from time to time.

Sun: rest all day
Mon: 5-a-side(large pitch)/Overloading(Atk)/Setpiece(Atk)
Tue: Closing down sesion/Overloading(Def)/Setpiece(Def)
Wed: 5-a-side(large pitch)/Pig In Middle/Technique
Thr: Overloading(Atk)/Crosses/Sprints
Fri: 5 a-side(large pitch)/Overloading(Atk)/Training match
Sat: rest all day

Defending - i use this for all my defenders, but think i might put some of my defensive midfielders in from time to time?

Sun: rest all day
Mon: 5 a-side(large pitch)/Overloading(Def)/Setpiece(Def)
Tue: Heading/Overloading(Def)/Tactical training
Wed: 5 a-side(large pitch)/Technique/Pig In Middle
Thr: Setpieces(Def)/Overloading(Def)/Weight training
Fri: 5 a-side(large pitch)/Overloading(def)/Training match
Sat: rest all day

Attacking - Forwards and strikers and maybe an attacking midfielder sometimes?

Sun: rest all day
Mon: 5 a-side(large pitch)/Overloading(Atk)/Setpieces(Atk)
Tue: Crosses/Overlaoding(Atk)/Setpieces(Atk)
Wed: Sprints/Overloading(Atk)/Setpieces(Atk)
Thr: Shooting/Technique/Weight training
Fri: Clossing down session/Heading/Shooting
Sat: rest all day

I used that chart thing you linked to - so i've tried to use the skills that increase stats the most. Still it's all a bit like fumbling in the dark.............so how does it look?

The thing is with games like this its worth the effort to get a decent training set-up, especialy in the lower leagues were your training and tactics make all the diference.

I'm having a good cup run(in two at the momment), and i've found time to give everyone atleast a few games, so my players are all happy(except one stubborn git who is a good player, but *****es about where i play him all the time!) with superb morale.

In 12 games i've only lost 1 but have 5 draws, which is keeping me out the top three spots in my league(conference south).

[Sava]

this game sounds like micromanagement to the extreme...

I like sports sim games, but this is ridiculous.

Personally, I'd enjoy a football sim game where you get to choose what your guys eat. That way I could build up like a 500lb lineman. Unfortunately, he'd probably die in the first game.

[Maquiladora]

Fortunately what CoT is describing only needs to be done once in all the game (maybe tweaked when you get better/more coaches), its the rest of the game that contains some insane MM.

Well this thread broke me down CoT so i might start a game later, gonna try and patch it first. Have you patched to the latest?

[child of Thor]

yeah i think so - it now says version 5.0.2 under the title credits.
Its quite fun in the conference south - i had little expectation to live up to, and am looking forward to the climb to the premiership (that should keep me busy for a long while)

And its the levels of MM that i like in this kind of game - its a very different beast form LMA manager2005 for example, which for a console game offers a very good amount of depth in the same sort of way the games like FM2005 do.

Compared to LMA manager, FM2005 just needs more attention from the player, which if your willing to invest brings its own rewards. It may still not have a console-esque sexy match engine, but its got the tension in bucket loads.

Shouting and *****ing at my little orange circles as they scoot around the pitch is surprisingly more fun than it sounds. I think i need a whole new(better) team before i'll feel happy with their game

Still i atleast have a couple of 'star' players that have been keeping us up in the top part of the league. My main match winner is a young SC i got from swansea(he was a reserve player there). He may cost me nearly more than the rest of my team a week in wages, but he's worth every penny(at £1000 pw). Hes currently on played 14 games/scored 21 goals

Oh yeah Maq - at game setup i chose to not use real players, but opted for player stats to be visable. When i've got a better handle on the game i'll hide the player stats, but i like to use non-real player names(i've noticed that the players actualy do stay at the clubs - just under different names; eg i've found Ryan Giggs playing for ManU,a 30 something AML - he's just called Paul jones now!).

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Sava
this game sounds like micromanagement to the extreme...

I like sports sim games, but this is ridiculous.

Personally, I'd enjoy a football sim game where you get to choose what your guys eat. That way I could build up like a 500lb lineman. Unfortunately, he'd probably die in the first game.

[Maquiladora]

Well i started a new game with Conference North outfit Droylsden, theyre crap, but have to say im enjoying the game again.

We started with one coach and a physio, not even an assistant and no transfer fee to spend, although i reckon it makes little difference between spending 0K and 10K signings, you still just cherry pick any rejects from higher clubs.

Im way down the league 15 i think after 30 games but yet i can still make the playoffs, apart from Nuneaton, anyone can beat anyone. Playing an attacking 3-4-3, its getting ripped apart by fast fowards, which doesnt surprise me since i have no DMC's at the club, the defenders keep getting injured and my midfielders are all creative, but i have the second highest goals for in the league at least.

End of this season ill overhaul my squad to something with DMC or three in the team.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Maquiladora
Well i started a new game with Conference North outfit Droylsden, theyre crap, but have to say im enjoying the game again.

you know you'll have fun turning that bunch of misfits into a worthwhile team what made you pick them to manage? (i chose Newport as they were the lowest placed welsh side with the option to take to the premiership)

MAQ:

We started with one coach and a physio, not even an assistant and no transfer fee to spend, although i reckon it makes little difference between spending 0K and 10K signings, you still just cherry pick any rejects from higher clubs.

i found at first it was tricky to find players/coaches to join my setup - then i sussed out using the filters in the 'search' menu, which is a very powerfull feature(better than in the old CM i think), and once i had worked out how to find the free transfers/out of contract people etc, i managed to streangthen my team for the coming season.

I found three very good coaches for free(i sacked my starting Assistant Manager and re-negotiated with one of these new coaches to take over the role) overall i spent around £5000 on 7 new decent personel

And i'm surprised you've played so many games already!

Maybe its the speed of my pc? Do you use fast results in your matches? - i like to keep things at an even pace so i can watch the match and identify weaknes's.

It usually takes me about 3hrs to just play through about 4 games(with all the messages, checking next opposition and tailoring new tactics etc, dealing with players problems, scouting for a decent bargin on the market etc).

But my PC does grind and help slow the pace down to give me time to do all this, which i find helps me get a better performance out my team in the long run, or seems to?

Anyway good to see your having a go from the dregs of the football league - its a very rewarding way to play(if it goes well )

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by child of Thor
you know you'll have fun turning that bunch of misfits into a worthwhile team what made you pick them to manage? (i chose Newport as they were the lowest placed welsh side with the option to take to the premiership)

Their name just sounded good, and theyre in the Northern league, thats all. Had i known they were relegation favourites i might have chosen another team, but i didnt want to reload.

The board is delighted with my performace anyway, so i must be doing alright.

i found at first it was tricky to find players/coaches to join my setup - then i sussed out using the filters in the 'search' menu, which is a very powerfull feature(better than in the old CM i think), and once i had worked out how to find the free transfers/out of contract people etc, i managed to streangthen my team for the coming season.

I found it tricky too. I could only sign (afford) "unknown" unemployed coaches, you take what you can get.

One thing i definitely will change this pre-season, ill be signing and loaning plenty more players, especially DC and DMC. I tried to sign a few at the start but none were having it. I can only offer £400 a week maximum.

And i'm surprised you've played so many games already!

Maybe its the speed of my pc? Do you use fast results in your matches? - i like to keep things at an even pace so i can watch the match and identify weaknes's.

Im using 3/4 commentary, 3/4 key highlights most of the time.

Not studying every opponent, just tweaking my tactic each time i concede or let in a really good chance, which is a dodgy way to work, but ive definitely improved my 3-4-3 (terrible choice formation for a non-league team BTW, too complicated). No doubt i couldve been more meticulous but i enjoy more the quick trial and error.

Also theres only so much i can do with tactics, theres just some games youre bound to lose.

Ive patched to 5.0.5, seems to be a lot more bookings and reds, even for fair players. Hate the talking back to referee bookings.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Maquiladora


Their name just sounded good, and theyre in the Northern league, thats all. Had i known they were relegation favourites i might have chosen another team, but i didnt want to reload.

Ouch - sounds like you got a tough season/s ahead of you!

One thing i definitely will change this pre-season, ill be signing and loaning plenty more players, especially DC and DMC. I tried to sign a few at the start but none were having it. I can only offer £400 a week maximum.

Yep i learn't a little too late about the handy loanings from higher leagues - and i've also learn't to give up on a player who says he doesn't want to come to my club, even when his club are happy to negociate.

Im using 3/4 commentary, 3/4 key highlights most of the time.

Not studying every opponent, just tweaking my tactic each time i concede or let in a really good chance, which is a dodgy way to work, but ive definitely improved my 3-4-3 (terrible choice formation for a non-league team BTW, too complicated). No doubt i couldve been more meticulous but i enjoy more the quick trial and error.

Also theres only so much i can do with tactics, theres just some games youre bound to lose.

in game i untick the replay box on goals scored and run the commentary at 2/4 and highlights at 3/4.

Ive patched to 5.0.5, seems to be a lot more bookings and reds, even for fair players. Hate the talking back to referee bookings.

Amen to that! i had one game where even after i had selected 'easy' tackling i ended the game with one red and 5 yellow cards. Still i think it is a particular ref, Derik Fox i think his name is - he seems to hate my team and book us out the game

Still the good news is that after one season under my management, Newport county(the Exiles) are conference south champions and FAW cup holders

My board of directors were seen partying+celebrating with fans outside the grounds!

Still i'm not confident i have the strength in depth to achieve a promotion next season in the conference, i suspect i might need a season or two of squad building to take the next step up.

And i don't think i've got the hang of press statements yet - i've gone from mystarting 10 rateing in both handling the press+ professionalism to about 7 in each .......so i have pleanty of aspects to work on untill Newport lift the European cup

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by child of Thor
Ouch - sounds like you got a tough season/s ahead of you!

I eventually finished 11th, overhauled my tactics to a custom 4-4-2 five games from the end of season, didnt concede a goal and won 3

Still the good news is that after one season under my management, Newport county(the Exiles) are conference south champions and FAW cup holders

Good job that

And i don't think i've got the hang of press statements yet - i've gone from mystarting 10 rateing in both handling the press+ professionalism to about 7 in each .......so i have pleanty of aspects to work on untill Newport lift the European cup

I think the trick is, as in real life, to be as dull as possible. Plenty of words whilst saying nothing, that kind of thing.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by Maquiladora


I eventually finished 11th, overhauled my tactics to a custom 4-4-2 five games from the end of season, didnt concede a goal and won 3

my startup formation was 4-4-2 - i changed it to an attacking version with emphersis on wind play when i was happy i had strong enough wingers for the job, still even my reserve players seemed to handle it ok.

I think the trick is, as in real life, to be as dull as possible. Plenty of words whilst saying nothing, that kind of thing.

ah - thats the problem then, i entered into a slanging match once or twice with a couple of managers. I also made the mistake of 'praiseing' some of my players too much(well i was told i did it too much, if three/four times can be too much?!). I couldn't help it if i had some guys who turned in 10 rated performances fairly often?

After winning £100,000 for the FAW cup, i feel a bit cheap over my £20,000,000 cheat of chelsea. I think i may have to replay the season without it - it might not have done me much good so far, but after i go up a few leagues i'll have too big an advantage. I could just jump ships to another lowly club at some point?

Anyway its a fun game, and i still have to work out the best training regime.

[child of Thor]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Why would Chelsea buy your duffers?

because they have more money than sense? or maybe i cheated............i was playing in conference south so i decided to give me some chance of a glory run, i could use the money. As i found out it doesn't solve all your problems, reputation of your club counts for alot when trying to attract players. So i've not been able to buy ryan giggs for example, and about the best player i have bought was a swansea youth striker for £5000. Still its nice being told i have a much bigger wage budget than i'll be able to use in a long time

[child of Thor]

This game has been taking up much of my gameing currently, and i've seen my first odd thing.

England beat Germany in the 2006 world cup final by 4-0!!!!

I'll say it again England have won the world cup!

Up untill this momentous occasion i had a very real belief that FM2005 played a very realistic game of football - now i'm confused

Oh and Newport County have been promoted to Division Two we are no longer a 'jumpers for goal posts' football team.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by child of Thor
This game has been taking up much of my gameing currently, and i've seen my first odd thing.

England beat Germany in the 2006 world cup final by 4-0!!!!

I'll say it again England have won the world cup!

Up untill this momentous occasion i had a very real belief that FM2005 played a very realistic game of football - now i'm confused

Well maybe it's a prediction of what will happen.

[child of Thor]

Well i've checked some odds and at this point in time England are one of the front runners to win the next world cup? when did that happen - and is it because of chelsea? I thought we've been having a 'lucky' run of games, just shading games we should be easily winning etc?

Anyway it seems FM2005 prediction for the next world cup may be more accurate than i first thought.