ADnD

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Jamski
Nonsense. All the D&D players I know are in the 25-40 age bracket.

-Jam

I'd play if there were any other geeks in town. For now I've had to resort to CRPGs and The Dungeon of You-know-where.

[joncha]

You-know-where

[DarkCloud]

Dissident, Jamski's right.

Although with the new 'boxed editions' the game is being marketed to youngsters again, so the hobby is youthening.

A good site for Dungeons and Dragons advice is: http://www.wizards.com/dnd although the sheer wealth of material can be overwhelming sometimes.

Myself, I've been playing since 1999. 2nd ed, 3rd ed, 3.5- I've played them all (Never had a chance to do 1st ed though)

Tips? Well, for the DM- Don't waste time on rules. Put a note to look up complicated things later, but make a house rule for the time (if you waste too much time researchign things during play- it bogs down the game)

Players- know what your feats, spells do AHEAD of time, don't waste people's time looking up things in-game.

DM- don't be afraid to make up sh**.

And now let's all roll the d20...

[snoopy369]

My comment:

Once you've had enough with D&D for the day, and particularly if you have people upset at each other for something stupid, make sure you have the following game handy:

"Munchkin", by Steve Jackson (GURPS dude)... a card game RPG that's entirely funny Basically just a card game that makes fun of RPGs, but it's hilarious and can break up bad humours all around. Cheap (not a CCG, just a one-shot buy, unless you want more exps.) - and highly expandable so you can end up being more into it than the actual RPG

[Gamecube64]

In Munchkin I once got to level 10 (Thus winning) while all the other players were still level one.
It wasn't a short game either.

[Aabraxan]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia I'd play if there were any other geeks in town. For now I've had to resort to CRPGs and The Dungeon of You-know-where.

I agree that there are a lot of gamers in the 25-40 age group. They're just hard to find. The problem is that we geeks can be tough to spot. As some of you may recall, back in the 80's, there was a big backlash against D&D, accusations of devil-worship, drug use, etc., and gamers learned very quickly that it was just easier to hide the fact that we played D&D. If you asked a gamer what his hobbies were, the answer was "I read. . . a lot." That's a hard habit to break after all these years.

[Jamski]

Well, I saw the guy on the next desk to mine in the office reading a MERP sourcebook and that was a clue

-Jam

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by GameGeek


I agree that there are a lot of gamers in the 25-40 age group. They're just hard to find. The problem is that we geeks can be tough to spot. As some of you may recall, back in the 80's, there was a big backlash against D&D, accusations of devil-worship, drug use, etc., and gamers learned very quickly that it was just easier to hide the fact that we played D&D. If you asked a gamer what his hobbies were, the answer was "I read. . . a lot." That's a hard habit to break after all these years.

My town has 6500 people, rest assured, if there were any others interested in D&D here, I'd know.

[Jon Miller]

what is a good one to play?

I find all the power gaming that often occurs in 3.5 to be annoying

I like Sci Fi stuff, and I like Tolkien stuff (pre3rd age tolkien would be best)

I don't like broken systems (Palladium, I am looking at you)

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

to be fair, I think some of my problem with AD&D is that I and another guy (who was in incredible power gamer, he would come up with ways with prestige classes and the like to get ~20 some attacks) knew the rules far better than the GM

take that and the fact that the other guy was a huge power gamer, and I am a bit of one (and another guy, who knew the rules as good as the GM was a bit of one as well) and everyone was taking fancy classes and prestige classes and the like to be way more powerful than just some standard character

Jon Miller

[Jamski]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia


My town has 6500 people, rest assured, if there were any others interested in D&D here, I'd know.

Card in a newsagents window works wonders, I've heard.

-Jam

[Kassiopeia]

Originally posted by Jamski
Card in a newsagents window works wonders, I've heard.
-Jam

No newsagents in Finland , but I get the general idea. Thing is, people below 30 ~never read bulletin boards for anything over here (I don't even know where the closest one is, at the school prolly). Another thing is that there aren't any people between 20 and 30 here, they are all off studying in a bigger city like I'll be. I'd know all the people even slightly inclined to D&D, because I've went to the same school with the same people for 12 years - all the children in this town fit to the same school building.

In other words, I'd know. There was a batch of cool guys who probably played D&D, but they were two years older than me, and while I don't know about England, here the difference between being 16 and 18 is massive, interested in D&D or not.

Damn it, let me whine in peace.

Edit: OOh, and don't even get me started on the fact that you can't get the books in print form anywhere here, not even in English. I'd probably have to place a special order to a specialised shop in Helsinki, which would cost way too much to be worth it. (I suppose I could "acquire" the materials, read the .pdfs on the screen and print the parts you need to have at hand.)

[Aabraxan]

Originally posted by Kassiopeia My town has 6500 people, rest assured, if there were any others interested in D&D here, I'd know.

My hometown was just about that size, so I don't doubt that at all.

[Aabraxan]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
what is a good one to play?

I find all the power gaming that often occurs in 3.5 to be annoying

I like Sci Fi stuff, and I like Tolkien stuff (pre3rd age tolkien would be best)

I don't like broken systems (Palladium, I am looking at you)

Jon Miller

Well, a "good one to play" is awfully subjective, but here's my take on a variey of games:

AD&D - Always a great standby: basic, but fun. This is what I've been playing (1st ed) for about the past year and a half.

Shadowrun - a very good setting with the potential to be a number-crunching nightmare in terms of game systems, especially in 3rd ed. I ran a 1st ed campaign for a couple of years.

Rifts (by Palladium) - another good setting setting, but, while I've only played this one once or twice, the system seems to suffer from the same number-crunching hazard as Shadowrun, and also seems to have a huge power gap between one character class and another (e.g. compare the 1st level Rogue to the 1st level full-conversion cyborg or dragon).

Vampire/Mage/Werewolf/Changeling - I like the systems in the Storyteller series (again, without having played them much), as it appears to be really flexible and easy to learn. I've listed the games in the order I'd rank the settings. I think each game has one modern setting and one past-era one, medieval, wild west, etc.

Gamma World - very fun, but only if you get the right gamemaster. Easy to get the mood all wrong and totally hose a campaign from the gm's perspective.

Tales from the Floating Vagabond - sort of cartoonish and amusing. Probably not great for an extended campaign, but a great break from something more serious.

[DarkCloud]

I find all the power gaming that often occurs in 3.5 to be annoying

Jon I try not to blame the game for harboring jackasses (my definition of powergamers- sorry, it's nothing personal- but they ruin the game for roleplayers and people like myself by forcing the DM to create harder to kill monsters just to satisfy that ONE player- in games, I would do 5 damage a turn when my friends were doing 20-40... that just wasn't fun Then I became the DM and tried to even out things a bit- but the powergamers are annoying whiners.)

However, I wouldn't blame the game for things like that- if the DM knows what he's doing, he won't allow things like that- or at least will try to mitigate it.

Personally, I create underpowered but fun RPG characters when I play (which is why I don't play- I DM.) but no one else seems to care

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A game that really limits powergaming, I understand is: Mage: The Ascension (only played it 3 times)...