Dungeons and Dragons is the best role playing system for crpg's

[Jamski]

Me too.

I love figuring out new builds. A good RPG should offer at least a dozen routes to Real Ultimate Power.

-Jam

[Imran Siddiqui]

Re: Dungeons and Dragons is the best role playing system for crpg's

Originally posted by Dissident
Speaking of, I heard Bioware is doing a non D&D game. Surely they are working on something. They passed on a KOTOR expansion and sequal. They haven't released anything in a while have they? At least nothing for the PC. Aside from a few things for NWN. Despite it not being D&D I think it could be good coming from Bioware. If it ever somes out.

Unless you got an XBox, forget about it, Diss. "Jade Empire" is an XBox only title. It's going to be amazing though!

[Dis]

Re: Re: Dungeons and Dragons is the best role playing system for crpg's

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Unless you got an XBox, forget about it, Diss. "Jade Empire" is an XBox only title. It's going to be amazing though!

no, not Jade Empire.

they are making a PC only game. It's called: Dragon Age

http://www.bioware.com/games/dragon_age/

It's supposed to have top down combat like Baldur's Gate. Multiple party members like Baldur's Gate. But it's also supposed to have 3d graphics and such.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


Indeed!

Though in doing so the can of worms is opened whereby someone will inevitably opine that it just isn't realistic that x cavalrymen have a y% chance of victory even though z didn't happen.

At which point some opinionated gamer ( ) will have to point out, at length, just how silly an argument that is.

Just cause historical settings have gameplay value independent of historical accuracy, doesnt mean historical accuracy isnt a good thing. Its of course silly arguing for it in a game like AOE where the scales of time and space are intrinsically unrealistic - who cares whether the attack values are right in a game where a single town with a pop of 50 researches technologies that it took an entire civilization to develop, and where it takes YEARS to hunt and butcher a gazelle.

[DrSpike]

I agree, historical accuracy has it's place. Mostly though, in Civ style games, people resort to realism arguments when they don't understand the game to a sufficient degree to make gameplay balance arguments.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike
I agree, historical accuracy has it's place. Mostly though, in Civ style games, people resort to realism arguments when they don't understand the game to a sufficient degree to make gameplay balance arguments.

ah, doc, but civ is unique. Its not a history sim like a wargame or a paradox game, but its not a historical dress game like AOE either. Hidden behind its ships that take years to circumnavigate the globe, its unrealistic combat model, and its celebrate the king days, is a profound theory of history. Please see my column, Civ2's Hegelian Tech Tree.

[duke o' york]

Please link to your column, Civ 2's Hegelian Tech Tree.

I searched the forums, but only found references to "please see my column...."

[lord of the mark]

my column

No one pays attention to the column section anymore, do they?

[Grumbold]

Well not one that's nearly 4 years old, anyhow

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark



ah, doc, but civ is unique. Its not a history sim like a wargame or a paradox game, but its not a historical dress game like AOE either. Hidden behind its ships that take years to circumnavigate the globe, its unrealistic combat model, and its celebrate the king days, is a profound theory of history. Please see my column, Civ2's Hegelian Tech Tree.

I've read it before, and my comments stand.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by DrSpike


I've read it before, and my comments stand.

That youre a gameplay man, over historical accuracy. Thats kewl - civ2 was able to attract a diverse audience.

BTW - I assume youve never played the user designed historical campaings for AOE - some of them are just fascinating, how they use the tools of that game to tell historical stories - much better than the campaigns that shipped with it. Theyre not at all like civ scens - less wargame like, but very interesting.

[Dis]

I take gameplay over accuracy as well. except when it comes to spearman or pikeman defeating tanks. . I stand by my comment that a spearman should never, ever in a million years defeat a tank.

[Grumbold]

I figure that if a spearman beats a tank in Civ, some unprincipled arms dealers have sold them a bunch of molotov cocktails and taught them the art of guerrilla warfare

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


That youre a gameplay man, over historical accuracy. Thats kewl - civ2 was able to attract a diverse audience.

BTW - I assume youve never played the user designed historical campaings for AOE - some of them are just fascinating, how they use the tools of that game to tell historical stories - much better than the campaigns that shipped with it. Theyre not at all like civ scens - less wargame like, but very interesting.

I actually like history, and I also think games like Civ are a great way to teach some broad historical facts to children (and the more ignorant adults ).

But when someone responds to a well argued point on balance from someone who understands the game that they are wrong because it just isn't realistic I want to beat them over the head with a very large stick. Repeatedly.

[child of Thor]

Elite2+3 are the best games because they model space in a realistic way.

In DnD i never understood why Plate was a better armour class than Chainmail for stopping arrows?

And Civ+Pirates taught me all i know about history