Complexity in FPS games

[BustaMike]

From my perspective, here are the problems with Halo mulitplayer...

#1 - Sniping weapons are horribly overpowered -
You can run around while you are zoomed in. This might not be so bad if the master chief didn't run so damn slow. It is impossible to get out of the way of a pistol in an open area. The game ends up becoming who can shoot who faster, instead of using tactics.

#2 - You're guy is a snail -
I touched on this in number 1, but let me say it again. An elderly woman with crutches could keep up with the Master Chief in a foot race. Damn he moves slow.

Those are the 2 reasons that Halo multiplayer is not that great. I find that CTF games in Halo are much much better than standard DM games. It's also much better to play with at least some vehicles (though not tanks) and with sniping weapons disabled. Also, anyone who plays with radar turned on is a tool. Radar sucks... nav points are ok, but radar sucks.

There are a few bugs, though none are too terrible. I don't think any of the bugs, except this first one hurt gameplay at all honestly. Here's the ones I've found.

Gun Fires Sideways - this is really only noticeable when you are playing with rockets. If you jump and take splash damage from a rocket, you cannot turn in the air and fire... well, technically you can turn and fire, but the rocket your trying to fire won't go the same direction you are facing. It will fire in the direction you were facing when you jumped. This one is pretty annoying.

Using Vehicles to Jump Through Walls - the game isn't the best at handling getting in and out of vehicles. You can jump right through most walls by getting out of a warthog or ghost, provided that the seat is touching the wall. Same for getting in. This is a pretty cool trick to use in Sidewinder CTF, since you can park a ghost on the other side of the powerups in that tunnel, then hop right through the wall to get in.

Warthog Gunner Launch - I don't even think this is a bug really. I think it's great! You can launch the gunner of a warthog about 20-30 feet straight up in the air while driving. Have him face backwards and look straight up, then have him get out while you are driving at full speed. The gun will slingshot him way up.

Getting On Top of Levels - self explanitory. I got yelled at quite a bit in a CTF game on Sidewinder. Both teams had the flag, but both were having trouble returning their own so my buddy (who had the flag) and I decided to use the warthog to launch him out of the level. He then went and got a soda, taunted the other team, then casually dropped into the base when we returned our flag to score.

[Kuciwalker]

Gun Fires Sideways - this is really only noticeable when you are playing with rockets. If you jump and take splash damage from a rocket, you cannot turn in the air and fire... well, technically you can turn and fire, but the rocket your trying to fire won't go the same direction you are facing. It will fire in the direction you were facing when you jumped. This one is pretty annoying.

Weird. I've never seen this.

[pg]

CTF makes any game decent it seems.

I am probably going to be playing QW forever unless something better comes along. QW is still a really popular multiplayer FPS in Europe, maybe I should move. QW to me is the essence of DM in FPS with Q2/Q3 just being simplified/newbiefied versions.

Barinthus - http://equake.quakeworld.nu/ if you want to try out QW but if you aren't a hardcore player don't bother. also -

http://www.nqr.nu/nqr7/ - tournament with ~90 clans(pretty impressive considering QW's age). It's divided into divisions so low skill clans need not played the best clans. QW has since died out in North America, and Australia but Europeans seem to love it still.

[Barinthus]

pg, thanks for the referral

[Traianvs]

I'll try out some Quake1 then...
That was some holy cow download: I was downloading at 1 1,2 and 1,5 MB/s

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by BustaMike
From my perspective, here are the problems with Halo mulitplayer...

#1 - Sniping weapons are horribly overpowered -
You can run around while you are zoomed in. This might not be so bad if the master chief didn't run so damn slow. It is impossible to get out of the way of a pistol in an open area. The game ends up becoming who can shoot who faster, instead of using tactics.

You're right. I can't tell you how many time's I've jumped and sniped someone while in the air.

The other thing is that if someone's running, you can simply run parallel to him. (Master Chief runs sideways just as fast as he runs forward) He will stay perfectly steady in your scope. Running in a straight line destroys you against snipers.

[Traianvs]

Damn right he moves as fast sideways as he runs forward... Otherwise strafing left/right would be a risky business!!

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Trajanus
I'll try out some Quake1 then...
That was some holy cow download: I was downloading at 1 1,2 and 1,5 MB/s

Nah, play Quake3.

[Main_Brain]

I absolutely love the pumpkin headed farmers armed with chainsaw.

"Hey didn't I kill you two Rooms ago?"

[Traianvs]

Originally posted by Main_Brain


"Hey didn't I kill you two Rooms ago?"

Look, enough lead for everybody, HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha.....

Nah, play Quake3.

I've played that already and it's much like Q1, but with better graphics and a few different weapons and of course a few more additions.
Q1 even 'feels' the same as Q3. How lame . If you're going to make a sequal then give us something new damnit!

Imo the weapons in Q3 have more balance, apart from maybe the grenade launcher that's a bit more difficult to use in Q3. In Q1 you simply have to race at top-speed towards either the rocketlauncher or shaft and you're settled. Ya might need the nadelauncher to kill campers or pin down an enemy in a room but the other weapons are useless vs those 2 main ones. There's no reason to use the others, not in close combat either. That's not too good. The many teleports in the maps are kinda fun though, there's less of those in Q3 which is a shame

Unfortunately Q1 is a game of spawnkilling and I don't like that too much. I prefer to test my aiming skillz against opponents which is why I like a game with instant kills or games in which you have little health

[pg]

Tranjus you should watch some QW demos though they might confuse you. I'm not sure if you will have all the maps to watch them though but you should with eQuake. There is a lot of spawn killing going on but it's much deeper than that. A lot players are too aggressive and would rather attack and die with 20 health than run away and survive(letting them heal up).

http://qwwc.quakeworld.nu/demos/ - enjoyed the Germany vs North America games a lot. All you should have to do is download the demo file unzip it to /quake/qw/ then fire up eQuake and either find the demo player in the menu or type "playdemo demoname.mvd" in the console(~ brings down console). If you are going to use playdemo usually it's best to rename them to something easy to remember like 1.mvd.

[Traianvs]

I'll check it out if I find the time.
Funny thing yesterday, I was in a free for all server and some dude yelled: boring map, simply because not everyone had a 20 frags per minute rate

[Kuciwalker]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Jaguar [/SIZE
The other thing is that if someone's running, you can simply run parallel to him. (Master Chief runs sideways just as fast as he runs forward) He will stay perfectly steady in your scope. Running in a straight line destroys you against snipers.

Actually no, the MC runs at a speed of 3.5 forward and 2 sideways or backward.

[Jaguar]

Hmm. Never really noticed that. But the point is that he already moves painfully slow and you can reduce him to a virtual standstill by running parallel to him.

[Barinthus]

Have anybody ever played Warhammer's Firewarrior? It looks interesting but I'm not sure if it'd be a good buy.

What about this one - Gore? The stamina bit looks interesting.