Banned from Paradox forum?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Patric B

Do you really think that any action by the publisher will stop the eventual availability on Kazaa? No offense but you must be pretty naive in that case.

It will lower the likelhood of it, or at least won't garner any ill will.

You are basically punishing someone for loving your games. That seems a strange strategy to me. After all it really has worked for the RIAA.

[civman2000]

Question to paradox: Is this in your best interests? What do you have to gain by keeping Maniac banned? Obviously you are losing one fan and customer and may anger others. What would you lose if you unban him?

[civman2000]

From the Victoria forum:

b) Those that read through the forum to find the ftp information to find out how to get the beta, configured their ftp-clients to access our ftp, and started downloading the actual game got punished. If they do this immediately after getting in, then thats not a customer I'd want.

Clearly Maniac did not do any of these things. Instead, he tried to download a document which to my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong) was open to anyone who had been given access to the beta forum and thus is no different from looking around at threads about the beta, for which people were NOT punished. I agree that anyone who tried to download the beta itself should be banned, but Maniac did not do that.

[Patric B]

Originally posted by Maniac
Hi Patric,



I just wanted to notify you I've just sent a PM to you on Apolyton.

PM back!


Patric

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Patric B
1. He obivously knew that what he was doing was wrong (deducted from his post right before being banned).
2. If he wants to discuss this he should do it with me or someone else at Paradox (he has not tried to contact me).

Sounds reasonable.

Maniac: E-mail the man.

BTW Since Maniac seems repentent enough perhaphes banning him for a set period of time and not perma-banning him might be in order? Make him do his time but let him come back after he's punished.

[Maniac]

PM back!

I think I'm allowed to say I'm no longer banned on the Paradox forum.

Osweld, Agathon, civman2000 and Oerdin, though of course Paradox was fully right to ban me, I would like to thank you for your support in this thread.

[civman2000]

!

[Ecthy]

I'm banned at Paradox myself

[Agathon]

I'm still going to by HOI as soon as it comes out for mac, though.

[Dinner]

Glad to see you are no longer banned.

I might just stop by the EU2 forums sometime myself.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ecthelion
I'm banned at Paradox myself

Not surprising.

[Asmodean]

I have just read this thread, and I have to say, that I think that Paradox acted a little too fast on this one. Now I'm not a member of the Paradox forums, and I know nothing about the community there. But I think that Maniac could not have been to blame, unless there was a huge headline in every thread in the Beta forum clearly stating that any download here is illegal unless you are an approved beta tester.

If it were possible to access the file, then how can it be theft to download it, unless it was clearly stated that this was illegal.

And accusing him of hacking the pass is just downright ridiculous

Asmodean

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Asmodean
I have just read this thread, and I have to say, that I think that Paradox acted a little too fast on this one. Now I'm not a member of the Paradox forums, and I know nothing about the community there. But I think that Maniac could not have been to blame, unless there was a huge headline in every thread in the Beta forum clearly stating that any download here is illegal unless you are an approved beta tester.

If it were possible to access the file, then how can it be theft to download it, unless it was clearly stated that this was illegal.

And accusing him of hacking the pass is just downright ridiculous
Asmodean

Its pretty dang obvious. There's even a thread rather promenently featured on the beta forum currently entitled "remember the NDA". If Maniac was basicly a complete newbie to the forums and assumed that the beta forum must be part of an open beta that would be one thing, but Maniac knew he was taking advantage of the situation. Those who tried downloading the actual beta install, had to login using an FTP client and the right user name and password that could only be found on the beta forum. I believe the initial assumption in this thread was that Maniac was one of the individuals who tried to do this, and this is where the statement about passwords came. (I'm an actual closed Victoria beta tester so I know what I'm talking about.)

[Maniac]

Please rest this case lest the wrath of the Gods Paradox descends upon me again. I have been unbanned, so everything should be fine.

[Agathon]

I don't think anyone is that mad at Paradox.

Hell, as long as they keep publishing games, I'll buy them.

I'm soooo jealous that you got to see Victoria - it looks really great.