CTP PBEM Challenge Ladder -- Aug 2004

[blackgryffin]

i'm surprised that as usually, thoughts and words are flying everywhere without any direction

the fact is this is a gaming forum : not a political one and another fact is that there is a huge difference between being proud of his nationality and blasting about historical facts ...

and for real, one last thing, yeah I said something that was taken offensive about the US having to save France during WW2, that sparked some debate..but go to OT and be an American, but be thick skinned American because non-Americans like to pick on the US for this and that

this kind of sentence is a pure delirium. If i remember, americans didn't always make nice things in their history ( like many many other countries ) and i see no one here to remember them how violents they were with amerindiens, the orange agent (napalm) which still causes today horrible malformations to new born chidren in Vietnam whithout speaking about the slavery and how they denied basic rights to a big part of their population, only because they were colored, and more recently, how "interesting" it was to see american soldiers practice tortures even sexual ones on some iraki bodies ... Who could be proud of this ?

I say similar things about France who sold some jewish people during WW2, and about french soldiers who made torture in a rational way 40 years ago in Algeria war. Who could be proud of this ?

and everyone of every country could say something similar ... that is we call history ... and history is not always as honorable as we wish ... this is a fact.

So : i still don't understand the only one man paranoia here, in a gaming forum when i read :

but be thick skinned American because non-Americans like to pick on the US for this and that

I fully agree with each one has its own opinion but please, spare my eyes and my brain to read such non sense stuff here, in a non political forum !!!

we started about complains about the lack of speed in pbem turns and here we are now !

shame on me to have followed the threads of foolish words of an ignorant.

[Mathemagician]

i think its enough now. isnt it ?
i, for my part, cant say i know what Troll's statements meant, so please dont put something in there that wasnt meant. its only getting more confusing and more emotional.

Piss,
err... Peace
(<-- joke)

Math/Rainer

[quinns]

If you want to discuss the horrors of nations, (admit it, ALL countries can be ashamed for something their countrymen did at some time or other), I ask you to please take it to another thread or offline.

Alright Math, I accept your challenge! I only ask that we use no modifications whatsoever, with the exception of "no ruins" if you wish. You can set it up if you like. Let me know what settings you like and we'll see if we can come to an agreement.

I'll update the ladder later today with the latest wins (and change requests).

[Mathemagician]

no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ?
okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me.
thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages.

i will email you with a settings proposal later on. i suggest 8 civs, seats 6 and 8 to even out starting positions. unless you have a better (non-dual duel) idea.

[blackgryffin]

Originally posted by quinns
If you want to discuss the horrors of nations, (admit it, ALL countries can be ashamed for something their countrymen did at some time or other), I ask you to please take it to another thread or offline.

Alright Math, I accept your challenge! I only ask that we use no modifications whatsoever, with the exception of "no ruins" if you wish. You can set it up if you like. Let me know what settings you like and we'll see if we can come to an agreement.

I'll update the ladder later today with the latest wins (and change requests).

i fully fully admit it ... full fully.

i wish to cancel if it's possible all the games between troll and i and just cancel them. thanks.

[quinns]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ?
okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me.
thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages.

i will email you with a settings proposal later on. i suggest 8 civs, seats 6 and 8 to even out starting positions. unless you have a better (non-dual duel) idea.

Okay. The most "even" non-dual-duel settings I have seen are the standard settings with the two changes of making the WET/DRY slider all the way WET, and the HOT/COLD slider all the way HOT. Very even settings without all the idiot a/i's running around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Math, if those are the only two "mods" you are talking about and you are SURE they won't cause errors later in the game, then go ahead. No farm/mine under city though. Sorry. We're trying to move away from that bug here. I know I know, there are other bugs that are allowed, but those can't be monitored nor controlled, e.g. pathing, or granting an advance just to see if your opponent has that advance yet. Those are our little free spies!

[Dimytes]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
no modifications ? no growth/bombarb messages ?
okay, but that means i will have to double check each turn if my cities grew and if you bombarded me.
thus, the turn flow might be a little worse in the later stages. (read 2-3 weeks, Dimytes remark )

Btw why do you need to know if a city has grown? What is really important is if a city is going to grow imo.

©2004 Dimytes

[Mathemagician]

ah, dont worry about farm under city. im not so attached to it after all.

as for the slider settings. thats ok. we could use hatschy's kill AI mod too to get rid of AIs. this would then also allow us to play any seats without AIs. your decision.

my script.slc for more messages...
well, i cant swear that it doesnt cause problems, just that it shouldn't.
occasionally the save file doesnt load, but
a) i had that without the mod too i think
b) it can be circumvented by re-saving the file from the email or rebooting the PC if it should happen. the only occasion where that didnt help was when the other one (blackgryffin) had a Mac. but he figured a solution out somehow too. dont ask me which one.

so, your slider settings if you like, my script.slc, possibly hatschys kill AI mod and any number of turn-0-death AIs ?

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by Dimytes


Btw why do you need to know if a city has grown? What is really important is if a city is going to grow imo.

©2004 Dimytes

of course thats important too. just havent found an easy way to get it into a script yet.
but to know that the city DID grow is useful for placing the new worker and, in case you are a PW fetishist, building that new worker a nice little improvement to work on.

[quinns]

Okay Math. Your slic is fine. Kill the a/i is fine too. Standard settings with the sliders mentioned above for fairness. And no bug use. Anything else? If not, go ahead and set it up. Thanks!

[Mathemagician]

how about our seats ? 3 and 4 with 4 civs ? and please lets party on a donut.

[berXpert]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
...of course if you had 5 games running vs. berXpert, that would be suspicious.

What's wrong with play with me


I got it... I'm an easy victory for any challenge

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by berXpert
What's wrong with play with me

I got it... I'm an easy victory for any challenge

well, i have no problems with anyone taking 5 chances instead of 1 to drop down 1 slot. but 5 chances to jump to nr.1 slot is something different.

[quinns]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
how about our seats ? 3 and 4 with 4 civs ? and please lets party on a donut.

Donut world is fine. Number of Civs do not matter to me. (What does it matter if they will be eliminated at the outset anyway??)

When you do start the game, please create a new thread with all the settings on it so we can refer back to later in the game. Thanks!

[Mathemagician]

Originally posted by quinns
Donut world is fine. Number of Civs do not matter to me. (What does it matter if they will be eliminated at the outset anyway??)

it matters for starting positions (and colors, umh..)
but i trust you that your settings will give even starting positions. if not its your pity anyway since i am starting the game.

Originally posted by quinns
When you do start the game, please create a new thread with all the settings on it so we can refer back to later in the game. Thanks!

will do.