CTP PBEM Challenge Ladder -- Aug 2004

[blackice]

Cool everyone has an opinion, life is short though even if it is the longest thing we have.

So you each have a point and now dance, then what? Me I am BBQ'n watching the babes cruise by and having a beer. :0)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by blackice
Cool everyone has an opinion, life is short though even if it is the longest thing we have.

So you each have a point and now dance, then what? Me I am BBQ'n watching the babes cruise by and having a beer. :0)

You have more than an opinion..you have a VALUED OPINION

Peace

Gramps"Lasagne eating not barbecuing chomping"Troll

[blackice]

Now as for that pic, man where are your fighters and who buys tanks? Egad lololol. Look less cost better defence more millage and well the attack is quite good.

Even a hand full of marines and a few planes has that offensive stopped. Birdy is about to learn the fighter power in a game ;0) Personally I can't remember the last time I made a tank? Marines, fighters, sold fighters for jets, then nukes... Try it out. Grandpa sell man sell ;0)

[EPW]

Fighters>Tanks?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by blackice
Now as for that pic, man where are your fighters and who buys tanks? Egad lololol. Look less cost better defence more millage and well the attack is quite good.

Even a hand full of marines and a few planes has that offensive stopped. Birdy is about to learn the fighter power in a game ;0) Personally I can't remember the last time I made a tank? Marines, fighters, sold fighters for jets, then nukes... Try it out. Grandpa sell man sell ;0)

Yes I understand that works well


Blackice

One day I will be DA MAN!


Actually u r "DA MAN" me I am content on having a good time

Peace

Gramps

[Mathemagician]

now the fighter/marine thing is a good idea, cost efficiency it is, isnt it ?
i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500...

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Mathemagician
now the fighter/marine thing is a good idea, cost efficiency it is, isnt it ?
i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500...

Math shame on you:

}}}}15/12/12{{{{
>>>10/10/10<<<
----=5/2/2 gain and advantage

Peace

Gramps

[Mathemagician]

Troll,
Tank 16/16/10 > Fighter 10/10/10
but Tank cost 2000, Fighter cost 1125

cost efficiency:
Tank: 8/8/5 per 1000
Fighter: ~9/9/9 per 1000

means you can build more of them for the same production cost. more troops -> effectively more firepower

i think that was what ice was talking about.
plus, fighters can fly home the turn they attack.

Interceptor:
15/12/12 for 1500
= 10/8/8 per 1000, about the same range as fighters, but you get only half the value in return, thus i was wondering.

granted, interceptors are faster i saw, but still wondering if its worth getting only half the fighter's cost to add to the interceptor's, thus reducing the number of total firepower you are able to produce.

[Grandpa Troll]

ok educate me, since I never use air power, if you do attack with a figheter or interceptor you say they an retreat home after the attack?

I was wondering as a tank in 9 stack is an awesome assault method, do fighters have enough in the attack to justify them?

I guess thats what airbases are for..



By the way since talking airbases, how many air units can be there?

same as city?
Thanks

Gramps

[Mathemagician]

same as any square, 9.
and yes, planes can retreat after an attack. but im not totally sure if they can when they attack together with, say, marines. i know that, when they capture a city together with land units, they lose their moves like the land units do.

[Grandpa Troll]

thanks

[blackice]

Exactly! :0) So why build one tank to attack or defend against two fighters, let alone a marine or two tossed in.

It's a numbers, cash, attrition thing. ;0)

[EPW]

I'm just used to tanks being overwhelmingly powerful in CTP2

[Grandpa Troll]

I just sent first turn of our new game

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Ill set the thread with the settings

Peace

Gramps

[blackice]

Too true and they are but not so much in CTP/cost.

i just dont understand under that point of view why you should turn in a 10/10/10 unit for 1125 at half its cost for a 15/12/12 unit for 1500.

Ok fair enough Fighter, someone correct me if I am wrong here: Full health fighter is 600 shields so exchange for Jet is 900. Less than a marine cost and HP=10/A=15/D=12/M=15 nice trade.Right to the front line and or clean up duties in one turn. Active air defence clean a tank in one shot and fly back for repairs and add to defence, heh Canadians it's more than just ice and a puck ya know! :0)

Tank 16/16/10 > Fighter 10/10/10
but Tank cost 2000, Fighter cost 1125

Er more like Tank: HP=10/A=16/D=10/M=6(subject to terrain)/Cost=2000

Fighter: HP=10/A=10/D=10/M=10(No terrain effect)/Cost=1125
Marine: HP=10/A=12/D=8/M=3/Cost=1000(subject to terrain)

So a marine and a fighter for 125 extra. The fighter is multi-rolled, instant defence and offence across oceans, mountains etc... Very strong in spotting and toasting stray units, re-groupings with small groups. In both the fighter and jet they can take a tank out in one shot. Ya the terrain has a play but remember marines can go on mountains as can fighter/jets. Let alone the fact they can fly back for repair and defence duties. The tank is moot...

So the poor tank either in a city or on the road.
In this case a jet or a spy would have caught those 50 lol or more tanks with 75ish fighters and about what 20-30 marines from weaker cities on the road. We saw that in Iraq did we not? ;0)

Air power is better...Equate these two units to Sols and pikemen. It's the next evolution. The next one is space planes and space fighters with marines. For the not so weak at heart toss in a nuke or two and it is a potent combination. Game breaker...