Beyond Alpha Centauri:::::::Discussion Thread 7

[History Guy]

Hey, Kassiopeia, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of us here who are Christian, and comments like that to us are offensive.

[Kassiopeia]

I'm terribly sorry if I offend anyone, but as far as I am concerned, when people come to a school and stuff this thing in the faces of sixteen year olds who can fully think for themselves, or even worse, five year olds who can't think for themselves, I find it offensive.

And I'm not saying all Christians are alike.

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Besides, the people I meant are the kind who raise their children by the words "If you don't behave, God will be mad at you." I was given a Christian upbringing, and luckily a one didn't have this, I say again, crap. God was considered a nice guy.

[Mr. President]

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[Sprayber]

Lets be careful what we use the comments section for please. Back and forth banter is ok but we should try to keep it to a low level.

[Mr. President]

Yeah, you're right. Sorry for my comments. I'll edit them out.

[Mr. President]

By the way. Can you tell what my avatar is? I really like the picture it came from but I'm not sure it translated very well into avatar form.

[Sprayber]

My comments were only meant to head off any possible misundersanding and wasnt directed at anyone in particular I just dont want anything to get out of hand. Sorry if I sound too protective


My avatar comes from one military unit of Clan Jade Falcon from Battletech.

[Frankychan]

Mine is Doctor Doom....but right now I'm looking for a change. Either Mojo jojo or some other one I have in mind...

Originally posted in Mr. Presidenst sig

"Finnish chicks are HOT!" -- Frankychan

I hope no-one else see's this....

Spray-I thought your avatar was the Romulan crest in Star Trek.

Mr Prez-Is yours a black Magic: The Gathering cards?

[Sprayber]

Franky-GeneralTacticus:

Before I post the Spartan arrivial in the Cadre system we should see if we are on the same page. This is what i propose so give me some feedback.

1. Intruding fleet lands supporting troops on planet

next day

2. Spartan taskforce enters system and sights the intruding fleet.
3. Spartan taskforce Admiral orders surrender of intruding fleet.
4. Intruding Fleet either refuses or remains silent.
5. Spartan Admiral orders the destruction of intruding fleet.
6. Spartan taskforce destroys intruding fleet after battle. One ship is borded but no definite proof of who commands the fleet.
7. Spartan taskforce immediately imposes blockade of Cadre system. (this may lead to some goverments critizing Sparta for this move maybe PKs etc.)
8. Spartan taskforce prepares Spartan Marine force for deployment but waits for comformation of situation on the planet.

Remember the reason that the Spartan Taskforce defeats the intruding fleet is that this is a huge military presence. There are three fleets in the current taskforce consisting of hundreds of heavy ships. In fact some governments may say that this is an overkill.

Comments? Suggestions are welcome

[Frankychan]

Comments and Hive P.O.V.



Depending on how GeneralTacticus wants things to unravel, I support the "invasion" of the proxy "pirate" fleet on their planet. With Lysander supported by the Hive personnel, pro-Menelaus Cadre troops as well as Spartan soldiers can show off their stuff and have some good postings dealing with different battles being fought. But like I said, it'd all be up to GeneralTacticus.

BTW-General, do you want me to take over when you have the fleet arrive?

Well, here's my thoughts:

1. Agree that troops should land on planet. Would make things more interesting in BAC universe. Also, if it WAS found out that the "pirates" were actually Hive troops, the implications would make BAC a little more interesting and tense.

2. Agree that Spartan fleet see's other ships. Wouldn't have Laekdaemon as a flashpoint for the big war if they didn't!

3. Spartan Admiral does usual Spartan introduction.

4. Intruding fleet refuses demands of Sparta.

5. Spartan and loyal Cadre ships begin engagement with opposite fleet.

6. Allied ships defeat opposite and ship/wreckage IS boarded and investigated. However, I think a few ships should be able to make it back to Hive space to inform Yang and Hive command.

7 and 8. I don't think I have any say in this at all. I think these questions are directed more at GeneralTacticus than myself.

Couple questions I have.

How strong is the Cadre fleet already in-system? Can the Hive fleet breakthrough their defenses without taking that much of a beating?

The Hive fleet being sent as support is very small. I agree that if a Spartan blockade was to take effect, hundreds of Spartan ships would be "overkill". How would the pro-Lysander people react?

Will the ground battle on Laekdaemon homeworld be short and decisive, or long with one large determinant battle?

I think that's all............now, for the Hive POV. (point of view):

[Frankychan]

Hive POV

Here it is....

Yang doesn't really care what goes on in the Cadre system, so long as Hive involvement is kept a secret. Yang see's Lysander and the Cadre as a useful tool against the eventual (unavoidable) confrontation between the GHE and the Spartan Federation. If Lysander can succeed in his revolution, the Cadre would be a strong, fanatical ally to the Hive (in his view). Yang understands the hatred of Lysander and the anti-Spartan faction and feels that if he can make the whole Cadre anti-Spartan, they'll exhaust Kessel's resources of war before the Hive even engages them.

Lysander's rage, to Yang, blinds him and makes him willing to risk everything to destroy Kessel. Using and supporting the Cadre will only make things easier for the Hive in the long run.

However, if things get churned up and Hive involvement is exposed, Emperor Yang will get "p!ssed" and will want some sort of action to take place.

[Sprayber]

I dont know how many vessels the Cadre have. General would have to answer that. I agree that a ship should escape to inform yang. As for Spartan ground troops they would only land if the Cadre government asked for help. then you Lysander would see what fighting Sparta really entails.

What is your view General.

And Franky. The Spartans believe in being very detailed. dont expect a small war to tax the resources of Sparta. Yang may be disappointed to see how quickly Sparta takes the battle to the source.

[GeneralTacticus]

How strong is the Cadre fleet already in-system? Can the Hive fleet breakthrough their defenses without taking that much of a beating?

Oh yes, indeed. It consists of a couple dozen escorts with light weaponry, used mainly for transporting and for show. They wouldn't be much use in a standup fight, though they could be something of an annoyance as raiders.

1. Intruding fleet lands supporting troops on planet

next day

2. Spartan taskforce enters system and sights the intruding fleet.
3. Spartan taskforce Admiral orders surrender of intruding fleet.
4. Intruding Fleet either refuses or remains silent.
5. Spartan Admiral orders the destruction of intruding fleet.
6. Spartan taskforce destroys intruding fleet after battle. One ship is borded but no definite proof of who commands the fleet.

Sounds pretty good to me.

7. Spartan taskforce immediately imposes blockade of Cadre system. (this may lead to some goverments critizing Sparta for this move maybe PKs etc.)

Hmm... blockade of what? Unauthorized entry? Commerce?

[/quote]BTW-General, do you want me to take over when you have the fleet arrive? [/quote]

Take over what, exactly? The Hive fleet? The Hive troops?

How would the pro-Lysander people react?

They'd be extremely PO'd, but they wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Those who are actually willing to rebel are already fighting for Lysander, so it hardly makes any difference.

Will the ground battle on Laekdaemon homeworld be short and decisive, or long with one large determinant battle?

Considering the geography and the current state of the war, it would probably go on for a little while, at least. YLsander holds most of the northern continent, which is very mountainous in the centre has little in the way of transport except around mines, so we'd probably end up with a situation a la Afghanistan, with a long effort to flush the surviving rebels out.

What is your view General.

Menelaus has no qualms at all about accepting aid from Sparta, especially when it's his regime at stake, so if the Spartans want to intervene directly, they're welcome to do so, on the understanding that they'll work with the Cadre rather than try to take control of the war for themselves.

As for the general sourse of the war - Lysander and his lot have the momentum atm, but this is based largely on the fact that the loyalists are still trying to figure out what the hell is going on. They've already lost Dienkes Base, and a Spartan intervention would likely tip the balance irreversibly, unless Yang decides to involve himself a little more. I'd forseea few major battles as the loyalists and Spartans push the rebels back, and then the aforementioned guerilla war in Iron Mountains in the north.

[Sprayber]

Initially the Spartans would intercept all traffic coming into the system just to get control of the situation ( first few days). then they would begin allowing commerce to begin again but carefully checking ships as they entered the sytem. At first the Spartans would simply impose the situation unilaterally. After contact with Cadre loyalist could be made they would suggest that the blockade be used to keep outsiders from supplying arms. Commerce would not be stopped. The Spartans aren't really interested in taking over, but they want to make sure that no one else is allowed to give more assistence.

the ground war is different. Perhaps the Spartans will be drawn in over time if the loyalist cannot eliminate the rebels.

[GeneralTacticus]

Initially the Spartans would intercept all traffic coming into the system just to get control of the situation ( first few days). then they would begin allowing commerce to begin again but carefully checking ships as they entered the sytem. At first the Spartans would simply impose the situation unilaterally. After contact with Cadre loyalist could be made they would suggest that the blockade be used to keep outsiders from supplying arms. Commerce would not be stopped. The Spartans aren't really interested in taking over, but they want to make sure that no one else is allowed to give more assistence.

There actually isn't very much outside traffic with Laekdaemon - they've only just started opening up to the outside world, so it wouldn't be a very big deal if the Spartans imposed a total blockade for a few days, though Menelaus would get very pissed if the Spartans interrupted any weapons shipments.