Beyond Alpha Centauri:::: Discussion Thread 4

[Silence]

Pokeing my head out just letting people know that I am still alive. Though, I may have another post in terms of the Hammer of God campaign and the poltical wheelings and dealings going on.

[Sovereign]

Mellian,


I stated I had 6 systems, including Spira under my control. Re-check my timeline in datalinks AND UCS thread. (soon to be on website)

Core Systems: Univeralis, Nova, and Zak

Other Systems: Eden, Solaris, Spira


University hasn't had any wars or disease epidemics since the Exodus. In addition, UCS effective recycling facilities recycle ALL waste material at 100% effectiveness thanks to Nano-technology. Besides, UCS has Hydroponic Farms, capable of double the output of standard farms thanks to several factors.

1. Controlled enviroments inside domed farms ensure no droughts, floods, pest infestations, and so forth occur.

2. Food being grown in domed farm complexes ensure productivity in any terrain except arctic and glaciers.

3. Food is able to be produced all-year around. No need for "planting seasons".

So this provides the UCS populace with ample food.


Disease is greatly reduced thanks to advances in medicine and genetics.


Therefore, 17 billion spread out through 6 systems is a reasonable amount. 3.5% population growth is comparable to modern China or India.


Laters,

Academician Randius Zakharov

[Frankychan]

my estimates on Hive population are 100 million billion

Nah, I don't know but if you have any idea's, I'm open to 'em.

I know for a fact that we will have the largest population out of everyone. But Mell does bring up a good point on disease and natural disasters. Gonna think about numbers for a while....

Ok, I know how much now...Hive population is googooplex (1 followed by 100 zero's)

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
Before i go on with the number crunching of population levels.... you may of had a million people on Chiron when your faction moves off Chiron, but doesn't mean the entire population will want to go, or be able to go...even if forced too. Then, there is the case of the dangers of colonization, and during travel... hey, Unity got nailed by meteor don't you know and barely survived

You can bet all the Spartan went As for ships getting lost and whatnot, well thats why you have some independent planets out there. But yeah I took into account that some of the people would have been lost.

then there is the factors of Mindworm problems, Prometheus Disease, wars, and so on. Also the confines of bases and lack of oxygen.... so population growth on Chiron was slow, even with Longivity treatments available.

Most of the Chiron factions have been off Chiron for over 300 years. And while I agree that there will be some diseases that plague people, I think that some advancement in 300 years could be expected to deal with them.

Earth my guess would be 30 billion.... lots of urbanizations and mega cities at many places, with large skyscrapers... Luna about 500 to 1000 million.... Mars 10 Billion... Venus about 500 million... Saturn, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune areas about 2-3 billion. Asteroid belt is around 100 to 300 million, Mercury a million or so. Pluto as 10 to 50 million people... Dark Planet would nearing a billion or less... Wolf and Ross would both have a few billions each... Capella about 100 million in total (distant and military oriented), but lost to the Morganites So a lot of people.... and about 50 billion in Sol alone.

lets see
Sparta-6 billion
University-14 billion
PK- (rough guess) 10 billion same as Mars
Believer-(rough guess) 5 billion (maybe low)
Drone-(rough guess) 8 billion (just a guess)
Hive-tough to say. large pop for sure especially with alien pops. 14 billion maybe.
Morgan-with all their planets, 5 billion. May be difficult to keep up comfort level
Gaian-(rough guess) 5 billion

Chiron totals come to be around 70 billion total. Thats spread across at least 30-40 star systems.


Sovereign- I do think your population is a little large. I know you would have all those things you mentioned but I think most states would be interested in keeping their populations in check. You should have more than Sparta i'm sure. Maybe just less or the same as the PKs. But 14 billion is a little large. Im wary of any of the Chiron factions except maybe the Hive having over 11 billion.

Low end population scale
Believers
Spartans
Morgans
Gaians
University, PK
Protectorate, Hive
Terrans
High end of the population scale.

All of these are just my gustamations at about 5am in the morning

[Mellian]

Sprayber - Gaians have bigger population then the Morganites, Drones and Morganites? they have atleast three systems, and naturally have low pop rate due to ideology. Pirates would be like under a billion spread out all over.... same with the Data Angels. Cyborgs would have a billion or two as well, generally spread out as well....as they don't have any fix system they control...except for Lalande (not really control, just playing guardian).

Sovereign - I remember three systems... and the stats in Datalinks and so on could easily be updated and changed.

-Mellian

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mellian
Sprayber - Gaians have bigger population then the Morganites, Drones and Morganites? they have atleast three systems, and naturally have low pop rate due to ideology. Pirates would be like under a billion spread out all over.... same with the Data Angels. Cyborgs would have a billion or two as well, generally spread out as well....as they don't have any fix system they control...except for Lalande (not really control, just playing guardian).

Sovereign - I remember three systems... and the stats in Datalinks and so on could easily be updated and changed.

-Mellian

I guess your right about the Gaians. I think Alynzia stated the populations somewhere. But yeah I agree they would be smaller.

What about this?

Low end population scale
Pirates/Data Angels
Cyborgs
Gaians
Believers
Spartans
Morgans/Drones
University, PK
Protectorate, Hive
Terrans
High end of the population scale.

[Kassiopeia]

Eh, haven't got that much to say yet, to firstly, Mellian's figure of 30 billion people on Earth sounds good to me. Earth has, like said, overcrowding problems... there are things like arcologies, though, then there are the oceans for use. So 30 billion sounds appropriate.

[History Guy]

Big numbers = Big taxes!!

OK to Morgan!

[Mellian]

Sovereign - read the post where Randius is thinking up ideas..... Quantum Laser is pretty much a Laser powered by Quantum Power. like Fusion Laser is a laser boosted by Fusion power and normal laser powered by Fission.

-LMP

[Sovereign]

Guys,

I gave my reasoning and calculations on population levels.

5 "native" systems, and 1 "member" system, for a total of 6 systems.

Univeralis Prime (U.P.), Nova Secundis (N.S.), and Zak Memoria (Z.M.) has the most concentration of population, at around 7 billion althogether.

Total populations (through the entire system, all megapolises, small cities on rural planets, space stations, etc.)

U.P. = 4 billion

N.S. = 3.5 billion

Z.M. = 2 billion

Eden = 3.5 billion

Spira = 2.25 billion

Solaris = 1.75 billion

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University has settled U.P., N.S., and Z.M systems for almost 300 years now, and that would give plenty of time to expand and have population growth. There aren't mind-worms, giant disease epidemics, war, and so forth in UCS territory, so a lot of Chironian dangers doesn't exist for the UCS.

The new systems were settled for approximately 80 years.

Spira grew for millennia's independent of UCS. Then at the time it joined the UCS, it had about 1.6 billion people. Then the medicine technology UCS brought to Spira helped its population become healthy and prosperous. So it increased by a 2% or so rate annually for 25 years up to 2701. So Spira would have 2.25 billion, somewhere around that figure.


The UCS is experiencing a stable 3.5% population growth in most territories, due to abundant food, advanced medicine, multiple planets still 75% unexplored or "untamed wilderness". In general, the UCS population density would be approximately similiar to Africa or Russia.

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Sol itself has 50 billion in a single solar system.

All the University territories are "rural" and "sparsely populated" compared to Sol itself. To achieve Sol population density, the UCS would have to have 300 billion people in total, in all its 6 solar systems, but that population level won't be reached until perhaps 2900 or 3000 AD, if the 3.5% population growth rate continues. (200 - 300 more years from current time period in BAC).


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I think a reasonable figure would be approximately:

Sol having 50 billion is ok by me.

1. 25 billion (probably 20% of it alien species) for the Hive. Hive probably has 10 solar systems minimum.

2. Protectorate has 19 billion, the majority of it in Beta Hydri (17 billion). However, Protectorate has only 3 systems under its control.

3. 17 billion for UCS with 6 systems, and PK with 5 or 6 systems.

4. Drones have say, 10 billion

5. Sparta 7 billion

6. Morgan 5 billion

7. And the rest at 2 billion or less.

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Basically, University has a reasonable amount of people spread out through 6 systems, while Protectorate and Terra pile up its population to extreme high levels in a SINGLE system.

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Okay, that population debate aside, about Quantum Lasers, I've been trying to think up of how exactly it will work. I mean, sure its powered by a quantum reactor, but there are unique characterstics for each weapon.

Fission lasers are probably similiar to our real life daily lasers, put to military applications.

Fusion lasers are more powerful, with more energy output, as well as fusion of elements at the impact area due to high tempatures from the energy.

So, Quantum is the act of splitting light for energy, as well as using the potential of the quantum states of the atom. Therefore, lasers capable of splitting light would be able to split light on the target, creating a web of explosions. The nature of the quantum weaponary will be such that the turrets are anti-light cloaked, to prevent the turret and the ship itself from being split with light hitting the ship. Hiding behind moons wouldn't help, since light from distant stars is hitting the ship.

Basically Quantum lasers would be harnessing light itself to damage objects at the quantum level.

So it would be similiar to what Randius said, splitting ships with an axe at the speed of light. Remember, the UCS hasn't tested quantum lasers yet, so Randius was merely speculating and speculations can be proven wrong.

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Mellian, I'm almost done designing my website, and it will have the official UCS "canon" and information, where it cannot be altered by thread moderators, DanQ or MarkG, and would be too consuming for me to change every little detail every week.

So once the website is up, you can consider the correct information about the UCS as permament and unchanging, unless new worlds are colonized, new species are discovered, new leaders emerge, etc. But the "old" and "established" information will stay secure.


Hope all these answers has answered your questions Sprayber, Mellian, and everyone else.


Laters,

Academician Randius Zakharov

[Sprayber]

http://www.geocities.com/kessel74/CitizensCyanSolo.html?1020310148620

I added a new bio about the Cyan Solo character on my page. It might be good for Sovereign and Silence to go over it and make sure that nothing goes against your timeline. The character was heavly involved in the FTL wars against the University. She will be making an appearance In BAC soon.

Sovereign, I looked at the pop figures. I'm still uncomfortable with the University having potentially more population then the Hive. Right now though, I am tire of looking at the screen. I look forward to looking at your site.

[Frankychan]

Uh, I don't think the Hive will be second-best in terms of population. Right now I see us as either on par w/the Terrans, or just having a little less. Of course quality is near the bottom.

I'll see what you ppl have to say about Hive pop before I go shooting my mouth off.

BTW, right now I'm working on my psychology webpage so I might be done w/that class soon enough.

I'll be back later to check up on you guys.

[Sovereign]

Sprayber,


I'll try to assuage your discomfort bro.


Lets say for the sake of arguement, Sol is at its maximum population limit of 50 billion in a single system.


University has 6 systems, so its "max" would be 300 billion.

Hive has an excess of 10 systems, I believe, and that would mean the Hive has the potential for a "max" population of anywhere between 500 billion and 1 trillion.

That would make Hive nearly have double or triple the University's population capacity.

UCS "max" = 300 billion

Hive "max" = 500 billion, possible 1 trillion or excess


Therefore, UCS will never exceed Hive potential population densities or population figures.


However, the Protectorate has 17 billion in a single star system, approximately the ENTIRE UCS population spread over 6 systems in ONE system!. The Protectorate holds 3 systems, half the UCS size, yet has slightly more population than UCS itself.


Again, the "max limit" is assuming that if all the systems in BAC had the same population density or level as Sol itself.


Besides, UCS has 17 billion, Drones 10, Sparta 7, Morgan 5, and rest are 2 or less. So, Sol will still have more than these factions combined, not counting the Hive and Protectorate.

Hope this helps Sprayber.


Laters,

Academician Randius Zakharov

[Sovereign]

Guys,

I'm wondering whatever happened to the UNS Unity?

In the original SMAC, the Unity kept orbiting Alpha Centauri, devoid of energy and life, as a relic.


However, in Aliens Crossfire expansion, the Unity crashed on the planet and became known as The Unity Wreckage.



But I need clarification about this in the BAC Universe. In this universe, did the Unity orbit Alpha Centauri and left to be a relic?

Or did it crash land? I don't see ANY reference to it crash-landing in any BAC timelines.

Or was it hauled to a historical museum somewhere?


Or did the University OR Morganites install FTL engines in the Unity and used the Unity as its first FTL ship test?


I think this should be clarified. I noticed this because I've been browsing thru the other timelines, and noticed the "absence" of Unity after arrival at "Chiron".



Laters,

Academician Randius Zakharov

[Mellian]

Since we are using Proginators, obviously Unity crashed land into Chiron.

Anyway, as for population........

5 native systems? and all aliens friendily joined UCS without any hostility? like really I would think the horn lions would cause some trouble before joining.... pretty interesting that they are all humanoids and some of them look pretty close to humans.

also, if some are discovered in their "middle age" and "renaissance" (each species i would think would develop differently, not follow human evolution script), then how the heck they got billion or so to start out with? back in our middle age and renaissance, we have like 50 or less million people in the world.

as for diseases and natural threats.... Sovereign, for every new environment a humans lands on, there will be some strange natural diseases or some other natural threat.... doesn't have to be Chiron or Earth kind of threats. Hey, when Europeans landed in North America, Africa and other places, they contracted some of the local diseases... while dropping off their own diseases on the Natives in africa, the portuguese at first thought they were dealing with Voodoo magic or something
Then there is natural threats, which will create its own dangers. It is quite silly that everything went perfectly well for colonization and the species easilly bowed down to University. odd enough for the minor races density in your corner of space too.... and I am talking about early on in the colonial expansion, where UCS weren't as advance as they are now.

another note, can cram a lot of people in one system doesn't always have to be planetary or moon bound colonies you know.

Protectorate had longer time on their planet, and didn't face as many problems as the Chironians did, or was too factioned up.

-Mellian