Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Mellian]

Originally posted by Sovereign
Oh, I forgot to reply to FC's question... I think University of Planet should change its name to the United States of University to reflect its democratic government, and American values of freedom, research, and superior technology.

umm, don't want to be picky or want to get into real life political argument, but not to fond of United States, especially lately..... University is way different from todays United States, even the past.... United States is a Republic (two-party goverment), not a true Democracy. Freedom with Price tag on it. USA maybe the most advance in the world, but alot of their technologies wasn't invented or develop by Americans USA is into acquiring various scientists and so on from other countries.... USA wouldn't be on the Moon in the 60s if it wasn't for NASA hiring various Canadians.... USA wouldn't be first to have the Atom Bomb if wasn't for Einstein, who wasn't an American, and etc...... USA is also into having a big arse military like the Spartans, where both USA and Spartans believe the right for everybody to have a gun ....which is why USA is a gun fanatic country. USA in my eyes isn't to great lately too, them going off taking out a Country without officially declaring war by using the War against Terrorism as an excuse and so on. So USA and University is far from similar

One thing, how is University a democracy if they have the same leader for so long, hmm? won't accept voted for life Or people love him so much that he keep being voted in as an excuse....

I've been thinking... maybe I should use the old University symbol, but make it a set of 3, like the BioHazard warning pic, and superimpose it on the USA flag, replacing the stars with the Univ symbol in the blue part of the flag (the three sets of semicircles represent the 3 Univ systems).... I have another idea but I'll need a day or two to design it in photoshop. Then you guys can vote on which one looks best. How does that sound?

PLEASE, don't make University look like USA, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

better to stay away from real life stuff in BAC, else i will get th Pirates and TAF to pounce on University. "nothing personal, just don't like you people impersanating the old nation of USA"

PS: yes i am a bit anti-USA, but only Bush and the US government, not the people... and don't try arguing it here please, got into so many in the past... and been told off to the point where various americans were bashing me and canada for 40 minutes straight in a chat room, after posting a quotation from Einstein............. *ducks and hides*

[Mellian]

Silence, as soon as I get my post put up later today start work on the post on the attack on Capella. I plan a rather good sized piece on Capella. First we'll have the fleet assaulting with a post about the Soldiers of God fleet attacking and bombarding, and then my post about Admiral Vallachi's simualtenous assault. And then after we shall have the conquest of the capital of Capella's largest planet, with Soldier of God attacks and Morganite attacks. How's that sound, Silence and Kassiopeia?

Kassiopeia, how many men are garrisoning Capella's largest planet? Who is the colonial magistrate, general-in-chief, etc.? How many ships shall we have to destroy?

CAPELLA DEFENCES:

TAF Fleet of three Task Forces....
the one incharge of the defence in the system is Admiral Manson.... Cocky, but not stupid. He is a good tactician (Fleet Admiral Kerensky doesn't assign stupid Admirals), but not the best in the universe of course.
One Task Force around Terra Nova and the other two slightly spread out throughout the system, Patrolling and so on.

Terra Nova will have atleast a dozen Orbital Defence Platforms like the ones around Earth in Babylon 5..... two array of Ship-Buster missiles... able to fire 50 each... and one Large Fusion Laser Cannon. (terran have Fusion lasers, but not refine enough to have smaller versions to be useful in a ship)

Do expect some Surface-to-Space Anti-Ship Missiles too

As for the TAF Ground troops:

3 TAF Marine Regiments.......comprise of Marines (think Starcraft, but power armor made out of Biometal), Combat Engineers, Combat Medics, various Hover Tank platoons (think Battlezone 2), Artillery-Assault Platoon (Siege Tank in Starcraft made of Biometal) and a single experimental Gear Unit (platoon of Gears like the ones in Heavy Gear 1&2)

Further TAF details in the Datalinks, when i can post them.....


Don't do anything from a TAF point of view... and keep the battles vague, so we can avoid details about TAF defence tactics for now..... and DON't make it a short quick battle either..... TAF will be troublesome to defea.... but shouldn't take more then a day or two to completly capture the system. Ground Battles may wage far longer...... unless you just do a complete bombarbment of the entire surface... else, even with some, there may be some pockets of TAF ground forces left........

TAF main defence strategy for the Capella invasion:

TAF Fleet will not be expecting an Invasion, but they won't be completly surprised either as they know that it is a possibility...
Admiral Manson will try to communicate to the enemy, warning them off. Will not make any deals or accept Surrender.

the two Patrolling Task Forces will try to regroup, atleast in seperate smaller groups... If they are facing a superior force, they attempt hit and runs, as well as flank attacks (BCs will use their Ion Beam Cannons when they can, which will be something the Enemy will not expect). They will try to distract the enemy fleet long enough for any Civilian/non-Combat ships to retreat and escape into FTL... and long enough for the evacuation of Civilians and non-combatants from Terra Nova. After the Civies and so on left, they will try re-group with the Task Force around Terra Nova.... during the distraction attacks, they will try to go after any Transports and Carriers. If enemy seperates in groups.... like one going straight for Terra Nova and the other to battle the two patrol task Force, then they go after the one going straight to Terra Nova or simply go straight to Terra Nova to join the First Task Force if they cannot intercept.... even if the other group of enemy goes after them...... of course, it does depend of course....
Two Task Forces, depending whats left of them after a bit, they will scatter throughout the system.


by the time the enemy force reachs Terra Nova, First Task Force and whats left of the other two will stand their grounds around the planet, facing the enemy. They will fight to the death.... they may decide towards the end to retreat elsewhere in the system and scatter...if they can of course... If there will be a big ground warfare, then the ground forces will fight to the death until towards the end if they see they can retreat elsewhere on the world and scatter.........

TAF forces will see if it is a superior force that they may not win, but they will make it hard for the enemy and fight to the death..... but unlike the Spartans, they will retreat only to scatter or whatever.......

You see, if they scatter, they will spread out and hide for a bit.... and then Engage a Guerilla Type warfare both on the world and in Space. TAF would have surveyed the entire system from the inside out. So even if the system is captured, there will be some resistance and make costly for the enemy to hold the system.
They will fight to the end via Guerilla Warfare.
Also, TAF Fleet will not be disorganized and screwed up if they lost their Admiral.... the command simply go to the next in the chain-of-command.


-LMP

[Mellian]

Originally posted by Silence
TAF taskforce is about what 200 ships total right?

Standard TAF Task Force structure:

CORE-SUPPORT: (seperate in 5 groups)
5 Terran Carriers
50 Terran Battlecruisers (10 BCs for each Carrier) (Core-Main)
100 Terran Destroyers (2 DDs for each BC)
Total 255 so far


ESCORT:
200 Heavy Corvettes/Frigates

total 455 so far

PICKET:
45 Scouts/Corvettes

total of 500 ships

Not all Task Forces is exactly 500 ships, but usually the amount of Capitals is.

so if there is 3 Task Forces in the Capella system, there will be atleast 1500 TAF ships plus whatever armed ships they can integrate into the fleet. There maybe some Coalition or Combine ships in the area as well, which would be told to merge with the TAF Fleet in the defence of the system. Don't forget the amount of fighters/bombers they may have as well Flagship will be a BC

the size of a TAF starfighter squadron is 12

Terran Carrier as 12 Squadrons
Terran Battlecruiser as 3 Squadrons (up from two for a reason)

so about 2520 Fighters/Bombers per Task Force.

-LMP

[Frankychan]

Hive Xenology page created last night...won't be able to reply to anything until later on tonite (PST).

Alright Kass: I'm in the final draft for our post to the Spartans. I'll just post that instead.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by frankychan
Hive Xenology page created last night...won't be able to reply to anything until later on tonite (PST).

Alright Kass: I'm in the final draft for our post to the Spartans. I'll just post that instead.

Hope you don't read the BAC story thread....

[Kassiopeia]

Kassiopeia, how many men are garrisoning Capella's largest planet? Who is the colonial magistrate, general-in-chief, etc.? How many ships shall we have to destroy?

It's TAF jurisdiction, just pay close attention to LMP. Oh, he has posted it already. Fine then.
What comes to the Colonial Magistrate, being a primarily joint installation, the Magistrate is probably someone outside the Coalition. Maybe a Combiner or a Venutian, I'll give you the liberty to get the person created. Kill him off if you want.

Now, I must grab myself in the neck and start writing! I am seriously falling behind in pace

[Kassiopeia]

Oh, and Sovereign, being the Resident Thread European and all ( ) I must say that I wouldn't really appreciate a US flag (sorry!), but I would say that if you modified the colours and the width of the stripes, it might turn out rather cool. But, do as you yourself bid, ignore me if you must.

[Sovereign]

Thanks for your feedback guys. I'll drop the hyper-warp technologies and ideas. I'll use the quantum tunneling from now on, and I'll try and envisage how it works.

Don't worry about the USA flag. I'm working on a symbol, hopefully I'll have it up by tonight and post it here. I'll drop the United States stuff, so how would University Commonwealth States (or should I say systems?)... kind of reflects Russian Commonwealth that was stated in SMAC...

I wasn't thinking straight the other day... I was tired and sleepy, was too lazy to check the galaxy size

Sometimes I get ahead of myself with ambition when I like doing something

Mellian, I'd like you to try and PM me a good fix to the timeline for the 2400's. I don't know exactly how to blend in the assasination, University's off-base in 2421 as the official timeline states, and Univ arriving in the three systems by 2430.

I might delete half of the timeline for the hell of it, since it may cause more conflicts in the future

Relations... Well, I thought a first contact situation with a few factions would be interesting, since there's very few references to University in the story so far. I think a good fix would be a slight change in the history, because its hard to say "we're friends, we trade, we are pact brothers, etc" when there's little information about it in the stories.

Also, I'd like the University to be in an unique situation, having to choose between alliances with old friends and vendetta on old foes, or vendetta on old friends to gain the trust of old foes. That "Rock and a hard place" situation. I think it could add an interesting element to the story.

I'm not upset, but I'm trying to match my ideas into the historical timelines. Its hard to do with the timelines already established. Only if I had joined the team earlier....

[Silence]

Ok Mellion, let me write up a post after History Guy does his.

[Kassiopeia]

Da post ought to be in a few. Stand by, please. Unless those pesky Morganite probe teams... I left Capella out, so it will be really out of the blue for the Terrans. Poor fellows, I almost feel sorry for them.

[Sovereign]

I think I'll have a face of Randius ready by this weekend.

In the meantime, I have my symbol ready but I dunno how to copy and paste it. I tried copying it from Photoshop and pasting it here, but pic didn't show up. Then I tried using that attachment thing, but still no picture. My symbol is in JPG or JPEG format.

Anyone help me out?

[History Guy]

Ok, Silence. Begin your post, then I shall do mine. Then a Soldier of God land attack followed by a Morganite land attack after those posts.

[Mr. President]

Well, I'm somewhat new to playing with attachments. I was hoping to put my (very crude!) maps of Vega and Firaxis where everyone could see them, but for some reason they ended up getting attached as files. (Maybe because I saved in .bmp format?) Anyway, you'll have to download them to look at them. Sorry.

[GeneralTacticus]

Right, I've managed to add another post to the story. I've also added some more characters to my faction, and I've got some stuff on our weaponry to post too. However, I've got a problem, which is that I'd like to use the Roman Eagle standard as a symbol for my faction, but I can't seem to find one suitable. Anyone know where I can

[Sovereign]

Okay, I edited my timeline, many thanks to LMP!!!

Can anyone help me out on how to paste my symbol and potrait of Randius onto here so that FC can post it on his website????

I think I can start writing my story, expect it by the weekend!!