Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Sprayber]

Sometimes I come to the thread just to listen to Lonestar and Mellian

I've been trying to come up with a reliable number for Sparta's space fleet as well. And it's hard not to go overboard. Sparta has about 6 or 7 systems with only Syrma(home system), Tyre(former independent), and Gualt having a large population. The the others are small such as New Caladon(former PK) and Ironholm(newly colonized). the rest are mainly military installations and a few scientific assests. But not heavly populated. Sparta requires a large fleet of ships and large numbers of marines and regular troops. We have enemies in the Hive and Bree for sure. The Protectorate, Terrans, Progenators, Pirates, PKs and possible third parties represent substantial risk

Add to this the job of having some forces dedicated to the protection of the Morgan Coperate sector and you can see that the Spartans are spread across a large area. This doesn't take into account that the Spartans are obssed with protecting their home system. The Spartans are quietly horrified that the Terrans could allow the Morgans to sneak in and take one of their moons. That and even contemplate having a so loose of an organization and military ineffenciency by having so many different distinct defense forces. tsl. tsk


Take that into account and just think if you guys have x number for one or a few systems, how many must the spartans have to control such a large area against so many different potential enemies.


When the Spartans come to town we bring a lot of hardware with us. If Sparta had the population depth that the Terrans had, the GHE and the others would not be any problem at all

[Lonestar]

You know, I was with LMP up until today. But his posts today indicate he didn't (a) go back and check stuff before griping and (b) actually read the BAC thread(or at least the relavent Protectorate posts).

He was pulling numbers out of his ass, somewhow the Protectorate dropped from 3 systems to one, and oh by the way, harping on a alien race that isn't relavent to the story (except as a disposeble enemy for the Protectorate).

I haven't got peeved once with his posts and requests up until today, now I am honestly mad. Dispite this being a collabrative story (which I've coordinated with others before posting) he wants to bend everyone to his view. Never you mind I haven't once greatly deviated from the story thus far, but by God, I disagree with his assement of the Progenitors, so I'm a enemy of the state (cue Will Smith soundtrack).

It really, really makes me mad he's going off like this, especially when it's clear he hasn't even read the History/Military commentary he's griping about.

[Cybergod]

Oh God, that throat infection seems to have developed into some advanced form of flu! I had to spend two days lying in bed, drinking traditional medicine (ugh!)

And as I go on the Internet after my two days of inactivity, I find that this enormous argument has spilled over too many pages. But since I am not the thread-god, I will not interfiere...

I personnaly can't wait until Sunday (yey!) I should be fine by then.

So, what happens now? What would the EC if we considered colonising other moons of Saturn? And what would TA do about our friendship with Morgan?

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Mellian

Franky,

Hive can somehow contact Kane and make some arrangement..... Hive helps Kane with somethings (help out somehow with the lack of manpower problem, offering a system, or generally help clear the last few obstacles so Kane cause an "revolution" among the pirates and unite the clan into the Pirate Empire)...the most dominating clan rules the Empire in a way, resulting in finally to properlly unite the clans into one goal, in exchange that the Pirates keeps the Morganites or whoever busy in another front?

Sounds feasible. I might have to postpone Hive encounter w/pirates, I got a lot of stuff going on right now.


To address the issue at hand...

Ok, Lonestar has made some concession. He has moved his faction to an area that was more realistic. Ship numbers in question---who says that they have to be piloted? They can be 'drones' piloted by auto-comps. As for this population center-->workers could be automated robots. Not humans, this results in the high # of ships or whatever.

In Mellian's defense, realistic #'s would be helpful.

Note, I am not taking sides here. I am merely trying to have both sides of the argument to see the other sides P.O.V. I say to try and cool off, then come back and think things out when emo. calms down.

As for Hive #'s,

I'm not totally sure how I should proceed with this. Of course we will have choke #'s (keeping with the nature of the Human Hive in the game). But with numbers we sacrifice tech. So a moderately small enemy fleet could destroy a large Hive fleet.

So...the Protectorate might engage in war w/the G.H.E.? (don't make me laugh!) hey, im just kidding!

[Mr. President]

I need to borrow some Galactic governmental figures for a banquet on the World of Trees in the Firaxis system. For the Spartans, the Terrans, etc. I'll check out the websites; History Guy - I need the name of a high-ranking Morganite who's available to visit Firaxis and have dinner with the Prime Minister.

[Frankychan]

General,

I'm just warning you now that the Hive's response will be a rebuke. Glad to see that ya posted!

Lonestar,

Just a reminder, any action concerning another faction...for example, an invasion *wink, wink* should be discussed first with that author's faction.

And where's that History Guy?

I liked our little back and forth "dissing" in this thread!

[History Guy]

Godfrey Daniel! Man have I had a tough couple of days. Yesterday though I relaxed by going off to the Field Museum and seeing for the second time the magnificient Cleopatra of Egypt exhibit. The only problem was that if one had to get to the Museum one had to get through Chicago traffic!!! But I did enjoy myself, however.

Here I am Franky! I'm preparing my post, and man it's going to have to be a long one! But don't worry, Mr. Sym will be there, and the Hive stuff as well. Cybergod's guys will get here and we will leave to his place as well.

Mr. President, Let me see, we could send one of our "heavier" diplomats, the 400+ lbs of Mr. Physkon, to go visit Firaxis. We might just strike up a deal!

[Mellian]

Lonestar, about the ships thing..... that was a General Point i bringing to everyone, not against you. As for reading the BAC story, I am getting there......but don't always have the time to read the whole thing in one shot....... (of course, should probably read then waste my time bring points up)..

Anyway, as for ship numbers.... I can understand having thousands of non-capital ships....... but to have a large number of Capital ships is silly Also, you justified your point..... and don't take what i say as attacks if i piss you off, tell me.....which you did

Size of fleets would depend on Technology, Resources, Construction Capabilities, Population level, Society and Territory.

And nearly impossible to completly defend a system too

Only thing i worried really is when we have small to medium confrontations, people will bring ships to the hundreds
What i mean in the realistic ship proportions in Babylon 5 is most confrontations in the series is usually fleets to 1-40 ships with only Starfighter support..... only time i see fleets of hundreds of ships in Babylon 5 is at huge armageddon type battles and so on........ like the Final Battle of the Minbari War around Earth.... EA would of needed to pull in their ships from everywhere else to Sol to have that many ships which that pic in that page suggests......... making the rest of their territory vulnerable.

Anyway, if you want a lot of Capital ships.....then depending on Tech, Territory, Resources, Population level and etc.... then the amount of smaller ships would lower....... if your fleet is mainly comprise of smaller ships like the Hive i think, then their numbers would considerably be higher.

As for the Hferfin and so on, IT IS JUST LONG TERM IDEAS!!! not orders, geez as for Proginators having allies, I already discuss the reasoning we are using for the Proginators in BAC in 2700. Even if the Hferfin are "allies" with the Usurpers, i doubt the proginators would trust them with higher tech.... especially having past bad experiences of attempts to acquire alien allies, etc...... SMAC may not suggest it, but thats how the Proginators are in BAC and your the only one protesting I am into collective decision, not the game pushed around by a single person..... (which could be anyone and i am not pointing fingers....hey!!! don't you dare point at me you finger, ahhhhhhh)


Sprayber,

if the Fleet Admiral of TAF have his way, then the Terran Alliance will be more organized then they are now.... which will happen once the Terran Council officially declares war on the Morganites and so on and then start Conquering


-LMP

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by Mellian
which will happen once the Terran Council officially declares war on the Morganites and so on and then start Conquering

Aw! I really wanted good and solid Treaties with Morgan and his allies! Can the Saturn Kingdom choose to stay neutral? After all we have just sent diplomats to Morgan Interstellar...

[History Guy]

Conquering?? Gulp. I hope not. Well, with my reinforcements (the remains of 1st Corps, the 2nd Corps, and the new 3rd Corps) and the Soldiers of God we can hold off those devilish Terrans for a while, though we hope the Saturn Kingdom shall not betray us after what we have done for them...

[Sprayber]

I wouldn't get too used to the TA conquering too much. Cause the Spartan Federation will not just sit back and let Terrans expand at the expense of others. Don't think that it's going to be easy either. Every time the terrans try, they are going to pay with men and material. And don't think Earth will escape just because its the cradle of humanity. The Spartans don't care


The Spartans may be honorable, but if push comes to shoove, then the will gloves come off.

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by History Guy
after what we have done for them...

And what exactly was that? Anyways we won't cos we need your mega bucks...

[Sprayber]

--Terran Probe Team elminated for causing another double post--

[Sprayber]

--hive probe agents eliminated for causing double post--

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Mr. President
I need to borrow some Galactic governmental figures for a banquet on the World of Trees in the Firaxis system. For the Spartans, the Terrans, etc. I'll check out the websites; History Guy - I need the name of a high-ranking Morganite who's available to visit Firaxis and have dinner with the Prime Minister.

Ambassodor Leta Holms- she can also be addressed as Major Holms. she has a direct line to Colonel Kessel and is responsible for high level decisions concerning Spartan-Firaxian relations.

Captain Zak VenDern-He is below Major Holms and is responsible for the day to day running of Spartan interests. He is also the point of contact for issues regarding Spartan vessels that are using Firaxian facilities or ground installations. He is also the official Commander of all Spartan forces that happnen to be in Firaxan territory. ex. embassy guards, any station personel, or ground crew that are Spartan.