Beyond Alpha Centauri:: Discussion Thread 2

[Lonestar]

Frankychan: How about a approachment with the GHE? (Possibly to make plans to expand our empires).

[Kassiopeia]

Okay, post shall be up in a matter of minutes - must check possible conflicts with unread posts.

Feedback is acceptable, though not mandatory , but I'd like History to tell me if he disagrees with what I had in about Brigadier Bismarck in the latter post (yes, I had to split it in half because of the 20,000 letter limit, I do seem to have a talent/tendency for long writing, bear with me - please?).

Originally posted by Mellian
So the CHironians will have problems indeed While the Terrans slowly system after system near Sol, the Chiron factions are busy fight among themselves TAF will avoid getting into conflict with the Peacekeepers, Cyborgs, University and Gaians for now.... will only be the use of Force, but TAF will use propaganda, espionage, diplomacy and etc to acquire systems...... and may absorb Neutral systems too, who join the Alliance as Members.. better to be a member then the Conquered that is my guess in the long run anyway.......

This is a whole new Terran Alliance in my eyes.

I like it.

[Mr. President]

Progenitor invasion would certainly be interesting. The ex-Planet factions might agree to ally with the Terran Alliance to protect the homeworld of humanity. Hmm . . . memories of Xerxes and Salamis, anyone?

[History Guy]

Kassiopeia-- Good post.

I was hoping you would do in someone like Brigadier Bismarck, who's character I did not put too much effort into, rather than Marmion.

I shall start up on my post now, which will span a good space of time, and will have to contain the fall back from Callisto, the Saturn Kingdom diplomats, Mr. Sym, etc.

[Mr. President]

Thanks for everybody who gave me ideas suggestions; you've been inordinately helpful.

[Frankychan]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Frankychan: How about a approachment with the GHE? (Possibly to make plans to expand our empires).

Sounds good, I have a post that starts the ball rolling...Let me post it up first than we can start plotting. And don't worry about us getting hold of some of your dead. Hive is just going to do some autopsies to figure out who the heck you are. Nothing like stealing your tech.

G.H.E.-----><-----Protectorate


Kass,

Don't worry, the Hive response to the Terran's is coming soon.
It looks like the Terran's need some......help.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by frankychan


Sounds good, I have a post that starts the ball rolling...Let me post it up first than we can start plotting. And don't worry about us getting hold of some of your dead. Hive is just going to do some autopsies to figure out who the heck you are. Nothing like stealing your tech.

Well, we recovered some of your dead so our Evil Bastard Shadow Government(tm) can study the "Mindbend" effects. Plus dem aliens.

[Frankychan]

Lonestar,

Sounds like your citizens can use a good dose of Thought Control. Maybe that's why your researching 'Project Mindbend'?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by frankychan
Lonestar,

Sounds like your citizens can use a good dose of Thought Control. Maybe that's why your researching 'Project Mindbend'?

Actually, we have what is known as "resocialization", which is the euqilivant to Mindbend, we just use it on troublesome charecters. We aren't entirely sure how you do it, so we're checking it out. lLus we get to dissect some aliens!

[Mellian]

What is with Jumbo Fleets?

Do realize people that we are dealing with an area of 50ly radius from Sol, not 1000+ly! So what is with jumbo fleets? if we are using the current BAC trend of having thousand of ships per system into Starwars... the Imperial Empire would of had up to million or more ships instead of into the thousands. This is not just concerning the Protectorate, but i am saying this to everyone. Pretty ridiculous to have so many ships in a small region of stellar space!!! There is such thing as Trained Manpower, Resources needed to build and maintain, Supplies and etc.... and no one use technology and government as an excuse. Else, we are better off playing a playing area of half the galaxy..... which will be hard to change now. We are working with a small area of space because FTL Drives isn't as fast or have as great of range as the ones in Startrek, Starwars and other big Sci-fi.... actually, Babylon 5 is more realistic concerning Fleet proportions vs span of space the series use to play with, keeping the rest of the galaxy unknown.

Another thing, no such thing as jumbo Cargo ships either if you can build Cargo/transports/etc bigger then Dreadnoughts, then your capable to build big large Super Star Destroyers size warships.... so no jumbo Cargo Ships

Lonestar

not impossible to scan the internals Nanotech Hull Ships... just hard for Chiron Scanners/Sensors and even harder for Terran scanners/sensors...

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

This might sound hypocritical, after all I was the one who probably started the "Giga-sized fleet" trend, but LMP is absolutely right.

Try to cut down on the numbers, please?

Or... I am guilty of it? I tried to avoid numbers in my last post, but fifteen transports and some forty ships (Frigates, Corvettes, Cruisers, Destroyers, a Carrier) is not too much IMO.

So, LMP, what is the case-in-point?

[Mellian]

Kass, those numbers are okay when dealing with Morganites in the Jupiter Area and similar or bigger fleet size in the Saturn Area.

Lets take the large number of Coalition Ships... what do they do to keep the navy busy then just going overboard in Defence, Escort and Patrol duties? Sol, Ross, Wolf 359 and Capella is generally defended by the TAF... so the Coalition and so on can spare their Fleet for other things..... like the Morganite problem in Sol and Titan...... and the Coalition is generally stuck in Sol too and maybe some bases at the other systems. The only ones they seriously need to worry about is the other members... as outside threat is generally taken care by the TAF.

Not, take the Protectorate for example... if they have like a total of 10 000 ships and they generally only control one system.... what do they with that many ships? how are they capable of supporting that many anyway? and being a fascist society isn't a valid excuse. how do they hide that many ships too? Instead wasting their time being quiet and hidden from rest of humanity, they have enough ships to go conquering..... especially when i would think they would have trouble supporting and maintaining that many.

anyway, got to go

-LMP

[Mellian]

Lonestar

First of all, I suggest you seriously lower how many ships the Protectorate have... or simply don't mention a number at all.
Second....
How about this...Protectorate could have made contact with Caretakers via that Scout... but no Active/Diplomatic contact. feelings between the Protectorate and Caretakers cwould be Neutral... both leaving each other alone but yet barely talk to each other. Protectorate Fleet could be busy helping the Dosi defend against the Usurpers...like patrolling and defending border systems and so on. So the Protectorate would be kept busy one front, not able to focus directly at the rest of humanity. But should keep this as a background thing until the Proginator War starts....whenever...if ever.
As for your Hferfin race...instead of them being allies with the Usurpers, why have the Usurpers habiting their homeworld, which they originally thought it was a Manifold due to the races proto-mind thing...but when they realize it isn't they decide to stay and keep the world as part of their territory while tolerating the Hferfin...as they are not in the way despite being pests (little cute kitten loving the big mean dog, despite the dog mistreating the kitten). So while the Usurpers do their thing, ignoring the Hferfin as they consider them no threat, especially with their inferior tech. Hferfin simply want to please the Usurpers for some reason...so they go off looking for the Manifolds themselves.. so when they it and tell the Usurpers, they would reward the race somehow. So Hferfin may be pooking around Human Space, looking for the Manifolds...but they won't do so in force...atleast having a near lack of a military...as they pretty muich relly on the Usurpers to protect them back home anyway. Anyway, Hferfin could be later be the reason why the Proginator War started, if ever and whenever... as they discovered the Chiron and/or Tau Ceti and told the Usurpers, after a bit of convincing that they did... so causing the Usurpers to focus in humanity....when they start taking some human systems at the edge of human space towards Alpha Centauri, the Caretakers and maybe others find out via Espionage and etc about Alpha Centauri and start moving into Human Space as well, while cutting the Usurpers off. Pretty much becoming a Proginator race for Manifold Six.... while humanity suffers by being ran over in a way, until they smart up and unite against the Proginators..... Hive and Protectorate wouldn't be suffering much from the Proginators Invasion, but may help fight them or not, or whatever..... depending upon them... Protectorate could later on participate a big attack with the Dosi into Usurper Space while they are focusing in Human Space.

anyway, what do you think? long run of course, but making sense what you brought into BAC and balancing things out.


Franky,

Hive can somehow contact Kane and make some arrangement..... Hive helps Kane with somethings (help out somehow with the lack of manpower problem, offering a system, or generally help clear the last few obstacles so Kane cause an "revolution" among the pirates and unite the clan into the Pirate Empire)...the most dominating clan rules the Empire in a way, resulting in finally to properlly unite the clans into one goal, in exchange that the Pirates keeps the Morganites or whoever busy in another front?

[Mellian]

Instead of using rough numbers for Fleet and Ground Force sizes... while use a Small, Medium or Large system?

for example:

Terran Alliance Fleet

Territory: 4 Systems (they may not completly control Sol and so on, but generally deal with them)

Military: +4-5 (in general)

Fleet: Large
-Offense: +4
-Defense: +6 (not always tech related... Battlecruisers may not be advance, but they sure can take a lot of punishment )

Ground Force: Large
-Offense: +5
-Defense: +5

Intelligence/Probe:
-Offense: +5
-Defense: +7

For fleet sizes go from Very Small to Very Large. Gaians and Cyborgs could be Small..... Coalition and Combine have Medium size fleets, and etc...............

tech and so on levels in general:

Terrans: +3-4
Scions: +6-7 (Passive and have Small Fleet and Ground)
Chironians: +5
Protectorate: +6
Gorn: +7
Bree: +7
Dosi: +6-7
Proginators: +8
Fraal: +10




Anyway, that is concerning the Military

Society stats we sure atleast post then simply say it...easier to compare:

Territory
Military
-Size
-Offense
-Defense
Police
Probe
-Offense
-Defense
Support
Economy
Trade
Etc

-LMP

[Lonestar]

Do you wake up everyday and say "You know, I'm going to find something wrong with Lonestar's faction today." LMP?

I've already spotted a few mistakes...lesse, of course even before I began colonization of Roving I controlled two systems.

I would argue that you would need a thousand ships to adequte defend ONE star system. Space is a pretty damn big place.

I have 1200 Capital ships...that's light crusiers and up! Battleships are included in that equation. You can even check the "last edited by" statement at the bottem of the post which shoes it was edited before you began your gripes today.

If we're running on the "Most relalistic Babylon5", then my numbers fall far below that, as it's canon on screen evidence the EA has "Thousands".(
see here )

I beg to differ on there being no "Super cargo ships", it's much easier to build something whose sole purpose is to carry crap than fight wars. Especially if the Cargo ships have detactable sections.

I've already completely overhauled the Protectorate's History at your request, I see no reason why I should change it further. Have I begun spamming the BAC story thread with bizarre twists and alien invasions of Human space? No.

Have I portrayed the Protectorate as Invincible? Technologicaly advanced, perhaps but you can check my most recent post to see for yourself we consider ourselves weak.

Same with the Hferhin...there's no canon evidence in either the game or novels that the Progenitors can't have allies. If I somehow missed this in the first discussion thread, then say so.