Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[History Guy]

Oh and by the way, Kassiopeia, as well as answering Cyber's question about a TAF commander, who is the governor of Callisto? I'll need to know his name or something. Just stick him in your story and that'll be fine. Please include an Adjutant and a military officer (who I intend to kill off rather spectacularly), as they shall be quite useful in my post. Thanks!!

[[LordLMP]]

Before i read the latest posts, i started reading the story.... one the first so far about that Morgan and InEn battle...

We are talking about ships in space... so when a hull gets breach, especially so close to the character, there will have a vacuum effect sucking whoever survived the blast into space... and shouldn't be able to continue running towards the Escape Pod :P

As for very old faction leaders...which may still look young due to the longivity vaccine... their mind is still Old... how would a human being after living several hundred years and as being through a lot? Very wise, quite smart and some cases, a bit out of here you can say. Character of the leaders may of changed too just to say after several hundred years... hey, only main character tha seem to changed is Yang :P so much for his perfect society and straight into imperialism :P

Relations between the old faction leaders could be quite cordial friendship was they both live quite a long time... been friend and enemies in the past and so on.


As for FTL speeds....... here this:

the average Chiron FTL takes a day to travel 10 lightyears....

the average Sol FTL takes a day to travel 5 lightyears....

what do you think?

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by Cybergod
History Guy! Hey, let's do a little bit of diplomacy!

The Nova Saturna does not wish an all out war on EC, just basic independence and to kick all EC ships out of it's region. They will probably get some support from the Belters, the new governor is about to uncover the truth about the hidden atrocity, and the main scientists of Titan sympathise with NS. Maria Sanchez will send you an encrypted transmittion, about willing to help you covertly and smuggling you some data so that we can, in the backdrop of the war, free ourselves of the tyranical menace. But we will constantly plea for the Alliance's membership and we'll conduct propaganda throughout the Sol system with the pictures and info about the secret attrocity, to get more public support

So, how about it? I am also willing to write one post about the Belters, could some one give me a recap about them, PLZ???

Most pleased with the forums back up,

Nikola

In my personal opinion, you have better luck getting support from Mars Combine then the Belters... Belters don't have a central government.... so would only be able to conivince a few them to help smuggle stuff and etc for a price.

here is a quick description from that Microsoft game where i got the Belters idea.......

Belters are in fact not a true political entity, they are a loose collection of political groups, colonies, mining communities, nomads and individuals who band together out of mutual interest. They also tend to attract many of the average undersirables from the other factions like smugglers, mercenaries, pirates, etc. Belters frequently unite to do battle with the other factions. The Belters dislike the other factions and consider all of them authoritarian entities out to crush individual liberty.

okay, so i change a bit of wording :P but that is pretty much it. IF you want examples go to:

http://www.zone.com/allegiance/news/beltersback.asp

so the description and history there i will use, with bunch of modifications so it fits into our BAC history... but will be pretty similar.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

After reading the Belters description and the characters...... those kind of Characters could be used :P as well the dependence on Space Stations too.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Originally posted by Cybergod
Oh my God you people post so quickly! There were like 4 posts before I posted that I didn't get to read!

By the way, what is the name of the TAF commander in the Saturn region?

I will post the structure of Terran Alliance Fleet later today on the site.... as well descriptions of the Pirates and Belters atleast too.

TAF as different Areas, or Sectors i should say, in the Sol system they mainly defend and patrol.... but does do deep space patrols around the system

Some sectors are more heavily defended by TAF... the Fleet Admiral rather heavily defend everywhere, but members like the Coalition and InEn are very picky, and don't alow TAF to properly defend the Jupiter Sector, Saturn Sector and so on.... saying they could defend it themselves... he Fleet Admiral as no choice to obey, frustrated with this political nonsence getting in his way...and will be happy to have a war solely because i would give the TAF the powert to overcome those political limits without getting heck from the Terran Council for "intefering members rights". but TAF atleast have a flight of 5 TBCs in all sectors at the orders of the Fleet Admiral. Also has intercept Task Forces ready at Pluto and Mercury.

anyway, so there is 5 TBCs in the Saturn Sector currently, commanded by a Commodore. You can make up the Commodore's name as you wish......and this Commodore isn't stupid and well infomred by TAF Intelligence of what is going on Titan......escept for the atrocities anyway..... and does personally support Titan's independence..... which the Fleet Admiral knows and that is why got that peticular Commodore to be incharge of the defence of the Saturn Sector.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

Sprayber, the Morganites could do a Dare Devil straight into the Jupiter Area like i said before.

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Has the InEn ever said why they started this.

No. I have to think of something.

One interesting possibility, is that scanners do pick up the real morgan fleet but they are somehow masking their signal and the controllers think that the morgan fleet is just another alliance convoy heading somewhere

Hey, that's much better then my lame "thwirl around scanner coverage" -plan. Easier to explain, to say the very least.

I was thinking much the same thing. The Terrans might force InEn to briefly put off the war until it can explain why 1) it murdered a Morganite diplomat (this may have been the work of an unidentified intruder, however), and 2) why they attempted to destroy the Morganite diplomatic ship, which would be going against the Geneva code which the Terrans hold so dear, and so InEn would look rather repelant to them.

Yes, the Coalition never appreciated InEn going all war before even talking about it to them. They will be on their necks, but not until Callisto is free again.

Oh and by the way, Kassiopeia, as well as answering Cyber's question about a TAF commander, who is the governor of Callisto? I'll need to know his name or something. Just stick him in your story and that'll be fine. Please include an Adjutant and a military officer (who I intend to kill off rather spectacularly), as they shall be quite useful in my post. Thanks!!

I think that LMP ought to get the name of the TAF commander since he is concentrating on the TAF structure.
Also, LMP, are you going to put up the Terran Council aspects, as to where it is, which sort of dignitaries attend it, and such?

The info you desire from me will be in my post, but there are still many things to decide on.

1. Masked Morganites or hidden Morganites?
2. Do you agree with LMP's plan of the invasion? I find it rather appropriate, and would use it in the post. Well, maybe some small details changed to get the InEn and EC more involved, but I assure you nothing that would remarkably change the nature of the event.
3.

the average Chiron FTL takes a day to travel 10 lightyears....

Ah, I missed the Sol 5 days part, but anyways suits me.

Once war is declared, the TAF will be given more political power....

Yes, that could be in the membership agreement of the Terrans; that a faction in times of war should submit help from it's military forces to TAF without insubordination.

The Nova Saturna does not wish an all out war on EC, just basic independence and to kick all EC ships out of it's region. They will probably get some support from the Belters, the new governor is about to uncover the truth about the hidden atrocity, and the main scientists of Titan sympathise with NS. Maria Sanchez will send you an encrypted transmittion, about willing to help you covertly and smuggling you some data so that we can, in the backdrop of the war, free ourselves of the tyranical menace. But we will constantly plea for the Alliance's membership and we'll conduct propaganda throughout the Sol system with the pictures and info about the secret attrocity, to get more public support

Most prudent.

Ah, there's so much posts, it's hard to keep track, tell me if I missed something important.

[History Guy]

1. Masked Morganites or hidden Morganites?

Hidden. No cloaking mechanizsm or that sort of thing. Just do their best to hide. The fake carrier and it's six small escorts will be, of course, trying to be noticed.

2. Do you agree with LMP's plan of the invasion? I find it rather appropriate, and would use it in the post. Well, maybe some small details changed to get the InEn and EC more involved, but I assure you nothing that would remarkably change the nature of the event.

Sounds fine to me...looks like a lot of posts to look forward to! Oh, and by the way, how many troops do you think you shall have on Callisto? I'll need to know as I will have to figure out how many casualties my force of 30,000-40,000 men will sustain!

(Meanwhile, on Callisto, the InEn guys come out looking like this -------->)

[Kassiopeia]

[QUOTE]No cloaking mechanizsm or that sort of thing[/QUOTE

I was referring to the Threadgod's suggestion of sending a hoax signal and pretending to be a Terran convoy. Nah, I'll just go for the hidden Morganites.

All righty, I'll get writing. What comes to the casualties, there are some say over 20 000 professional soldiers on Callisto, but with the surprise attack and all they would match 10 000 Morganites ready and armed to teeth.
Do not count out the colonials, you'll have to isolate them in their habitats so that they can not try to overwhelm the invaders. See, (Have you ever played G-Police), Callisto is covered with these large domes... Or maybe I'll just let you find out from Ye Poste.
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[Kassiopeia]

Post up. Disclaimer:

1. Nothing posted is carved in stone! Misinformation is common in crisis situations. And there is always the edit -button.

2. I did not describe completely what we had agreed would happen, since I did not think it would fit this context. The Council debates and other political stuff can be posted happening just after news of the mess has reached Earth, when the Morganites are establishing themselves on Callisto.
At the same time in the story people can start analyzing, and in the end everyone will agree that what happened was what we had discussed would happen. I hope.

3. I think it would be appropriate that the next post be History Guy's or Cybergods, as the former and latter are taking place simultaniously and in this time frame that is active; the invading force has just landed on Callisto and the Morganite space ships have been annihilated by the Terrans.

[History Guy]

There we go, I just invaded Callisto. Hope you don't mind that I blew up Klyder. I did say I would, though!

He sorta blows himself up rather than be taken prisoner and forced to give information to Morgan on the defense of Terran and InEn holdings, as he knows he will be forced to do, as he is, after all, only a military man, not a diplomat. Therefore he decides to do in some Morganites, damage the Command Nexus, and go down the way he does rather than surrender and be forced to betray his people. Um, hope that's ok!

[[LordLMP]]

i just realize something........

while writing up, yet not finish, stuff for TAF, Belters, Pirates and etc....... what i would like to do is to completly create a new game/story/whatever sci fi universe.....

that universe will not be base on any other game/story/movie/comic/etc universes..... but vice versa.

many of my society ideas are base on societies developed for other games, stories, etc.... and trying to merge them into to this game somewhat, which is mainly base on the SMAC universe.

so my idea is, a universe where other universes societies are merged together....

where we may end up piting Starcraft's Protoss versus Star Trek's Borg, or Babylon 5's Shadows versus Alternity's Fraal, etc......

wish to turn the quasi universe idea into a masterpiece, art, etc.... what is Humanity's true origins, were they created or simply evolved naturally? why is there so many species that look like humans, but with some facial differences? why are the Fraal and maybe some other ancient still existant/around species interested in them? how was this universe created, as it doesn't make sence...there is so many anomolies that simply defies the universal laws............

In that universe, the main species will be Humanity from Earth.. this Humanity is the biggest in comparison to the other humanities discovered who originate from their own Earths or whatever name they use for their Homeworld...which is agreed that they evolved there base atomic comprisons of their genetics to the planets.... anyway, the Humanity of Earth is the largest of all in the Spiral Galaxy that happens to be 10x or more large then the one in real life which is believed to be the center of the universe.... this Humanity as started spreading among the stars before they even developed FTL like for example the UNS Unity to Alpha Centauri, second UN ship called Hope ment for Alpha Centauri but somehow half way to Alpha Centauri Fate sling shots the ship to Lalande 21185, soon after the discovery of FTL four experimental large colony ships filled with undesirables launched towards a system is piloted by an super AI computer which malfunctions half way leaving the ship flying in FTL for 50 or so years before it malfunctions and crash land the ships into some habitable worlds 40 000 lightyears away from it origins, etc........ this humanity encounters some interesting species like the Fraal , Bentusi, Vorlon, Protoss, Antarans, Proginators etc and other human like species like the Minbari, Klingons, Narn, Mechalus, Kree, Orcs, Elves, Orions, Kilrathi, Taidaii, Vulcan, Romulans, etc...........

I could spend a lot of time working out that Universe, but rather have help from others and etc...... eventually maybe make it intereactive game of it with realistic limits and etc......... when gAme starts, will be almost in a Homeworld/Total Annihilation and hint of Alpha Centauri style...............

sorry for ranting.... just been reading some Homeworld stuff and fan fictions :P

will finish doing the stuff i volunteered to do before i go off doing something...which probably as to wait until after the 8 months thing, etc.........

-LMP

[Sprayber]

LMP: Do a search for ZAON and you will find a online Role playing game that is being developed. The dominate empire is a human one that wast transported from earth and went on to conquer a lot of planets until the humans of earth allied with a group of aliens to to kind of stop them. I don't know what the current status of the project is though. It is a much more sophistacated operation then our humble little universe though

[Sprayber]

Kass: I was wondering if you were going to write more about those two guys that we first saw on the moon? This may seem strange but I was messing around on a Star Wars site and I ran across a quote from the Star Wars novel that never made it to the movie.

"they were in the the wrong place at the wrong time, naturally they became heroes."

I couldn't help but think about those guys


One more thing before I finish up my long overdo post. Do you think i would be appropriate if the Spartans would have three or four undercover agents inside the Sol system. And one on Calisto. Nothing along the lines of them sabotaging things, but just there reporting back on what they see. I'd like to get the Spartans more involved, but not overtly. Maybe in preparation for setting up the eventual Hive Spartan conflict. The Spartans are concerned about Earth. They see a very dangerous threat. So far Terrans have remained mostly in the Sol system with a few other colonies but nothing major. But the Spartans see their potential and are concerned. That's why you didn't see them isisting that they join morgan in attacking.

[History Guy]

this humanity encounters some interesting species like the Fraal , Bentusi, Vorlon, Protoss, Antarans, Proginators etc and other human like species like the Minbari, Klingons, Narn, Mechalus, Kree, Orcs, Elves, Orions, Kilrathi, Taidaii, Vulcan, Romulans, etc...........

Awwwwwww huh. How about Gallifreyans, Daleks, Cybermen, Ice Warriors, Sontarans, Draconians, Androgums, Ogrons, Rutans, Autons, etc.

Now wait a second, did you say Orcs? What are they doing in space, hmmm? Same with Elves? They are from Middle Earth, in other words, Europe!