Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[History Guy]

Hmmm...I've been thinking quite long and hard about this, and I've come to the conclusion that Morgan Interstellar could not survive war with the Terran Alliance. Interplanetary Enterprises, yes, that could be whipped easily, but the Terrans would have little trouble defeating the small Morganite armies. How's this then? The Morganites, during their encounter with the Gorn so many years back have signed a pact with them, a mutual defense pact, and so shipments of armor and weaponry have been sent off to the Gorn in their fights with the Bree, and so the Gorn may well have to be asked to assist Morgan at a later date. How's that sound? Either that, or when we enter the Propus System we find some large (somewhat primitive) alien tribes that would fight for Morgan Interstellar for a good price and some ammunition.

[[LordLMP]]

how about Fleet Admiral Stukov as the leader of TAF, chosen by the Terran Council...originally thought he would be a lap dog, but they thought wrong and now regret it, especially the Coalition, lol

Anyway, because of the political nonsence, some Sol Factions like the Coalition and InEn...mainly on them as they both have the most territory in Sol... TAF can't properlly defend the Jupiter and Saturn area. So there is only a group of 5 Battlecruisers in each of those areas, but TAF does have a lot of ships available by 2700... around 300 Battlecruisers and 50 Carriers? of course not all in Sol as there is a Task Force defending Wolf 359 and one Task Force all the way in Capella. In Sol, there is total of 4 Task Forces.... one around Pluto, waiting to intercept something... one around Mercury... one somewhere else in the system and the last Task Force is spread out all over the Sol system.

So..... TAF policies is not to interfere into Member internal squables... only time TAF will interfere if a Member are fighting another Member, and etc... Is Titan not Coalition territory, until it declares independence? It is Callisto that belongs to InEn. The
TAF will send the Task Force from Pluto to blast the Morgan ships out of the area and start landing its Marines...which is more then just Power Armoured Troops... The TAF Marines Corp is like Starcraft and the ISDF units in Battlezone :P If Coalition Marines wants to get involve too, so be it...as long as it is under TAF Command during the operation to remove the Morgan Troops.....

Wouldn't the morganites troops try to buy themselves out, instead of dying or going to a POW? Hard to see Morganites go off to a suicide mission, unless the Morganites military implanted something in their heads, forcing them to follow orders, yet still show individuality under those limits.... like the Red dudes in Metal Fatigue.

As for Titan situation, TAF won't get involved unless some other member or non-member interferes in a member internal squabbles. Beside, Stukov doesn't want to interfere and rather see Titan independent just then, Stukov may have TAF to finally properlly defend the Saturn area besides, he personally doesn't like the Coalition so wouldn't threating TAF risk possible friendship, hmm? They should notice that the TAF is not interfering, even thought they are nearby and can see what is going on.

-LMP

[[LordLMP]]

TAF maybe slightly behind in tech in comparison to the morganites, but they have the numbers and their Battlecruisers are tough...especially with their Ion Beam Cannons now....

TAF is very organized, despite the squabbles in Sol. After a war starts, TAF will finally have a lot of leeway and be able to tell Member's militaries what to do, if they like it or not... as for the Troops... TAF military will be like the Terrans in Starcraft and the ISDF in Battlezone, mix together. TAF will make an agreement with the Scions.... Scions will not be force to give the secret of Biometal, but they are asked to provide the old specs of the ISDF units and that the Scions construct the Units for the TAF on Pluto...as well as other units of TAF design. if TAF ever needs more troops, may get some members ground forces to help out. TAF is interested i the Scion units, which is quite different from the rest....but Scions doesn't have a large ground force, but TAF intends to use them as special forces........ Scions are quite secretive and hard to infiltrate too........ so no Agents among the Scions or stealing Scion secrets Also rather not have agents in the TAF, as they are really picky security and intelligence wise...... really organized

[Frankychan]

Sol and Hive affairs

So does the emperor wish to have any business with Nova Saturna?

As I see it Emperor Yang wants all Terrans under one banner. However, if things look like they won't happen then he'll try to do his best to sow discontent with the Terran colonies so they dislike Morgan Interstellar. So long as the break-away colonies are against Morgan will he keep away from them.

If they do side with Morgan, I think that he would try and influence the Terran Alliance to "bring them to heel" and try and bring them back into line.

I see Yang as being a "puppet- master", pulling strings here and there to have the Terrans war with Morgan in order to weaken them...as I said earlier. The rivalry between InEn and Morgan Interstellar only helps the Emperor in manipulating them to war with each other.

But to answer your question directly, Cybergod:

If and when Nova Saturna breaks away and looks like it will stay independent, Yang would open up relations (slowly), and try and get them to either join the G.H.E. (so the Hive has a foothold in the Sol System) or at least make them an ally and fight against Nwabudike.

[Kassiopeia]

Re: Sol and Hive affairs

I think that at least the Fraal would of signed or at least basically agreed to the Yet Not Named Charter Of Good Behaviour, since they are of the alien the most close ones to Terrans.

The Morganites, during their encounter with the Gorn so many years back have signed a pact with them, a mutual defense pact, and so shipments of armor and weaponry have been sent off to the Gorn in their fights with the Bree, and so the Gorn may well have to be asked to assist Morgan at a later date. How's that sound? Either that, or when we enter the Propus System we find some large (somewhat primitive) alien tribes that would fight for Morgan Interstellar for a good price and some ammunition.

Do remember that the Terrans are not probably going to get you Morganites on the edge; They won't race you back to Pollux and Castor and imprison Morgan. So the Morganites losing would not necessarily be a devastating blow to the Morganites.

Though, this does increase the interest on the motive of InEn. Do they have something they want with Morgan? And thus declared war upon them, knowing that they would do something to awaken the wrath of the Alliance, massively exceeding their numbers?

[Sprayber]

wow. i go to work and the whole complexity of the game seems to change.

cybergod: As I said the spartans will be eager to keep the Terrans divided as much as possible, if you want outside sponserhip, the spartans will provide it. In a hush hush way of course. If they find out that the hive is involved with supporting any colony, then they will expose it and use it as an example of hive interference and suggest that the terrans make them pay. The spartans can play politics as well.


The Spartans will in no way allow the terrans to take Morgan territory. Their confrontation in the Sol system is offically none of Sparta's concern(as per the reqest of the CEO himself). When it moves outside the system into morgan territory then Sparta will respond. Sparta's immediate concern is with the Hive and Bree. Thankfully the Drone are in place and are allied with the Spartans against the Bree and indirectly the Hive. But Morgan need not be concerned about facing the full Terran militaries alone. This all presents a unique situation where a lot of things will be determined by what happens around Terran politics. It is possible that a Spartan Hive war could start over things that happen there. they already have fleets prepared near the core but the spark could be ingnited in Sol. And don't discount the possiblity that if the Terrans find out that the Hive is causing internal problems, then they may find themself fighting Spartans and Terrans. That is why the Spartans perfer to observe and do things slowly rather then initiate sudden and drastic measures.

[Cybergod]

Decisions, decisions...

Why do I have to pick? OK this is the secret agenda of the future Queen Maria Sanchez, after announcing independence of Titan (although they are a bit far fetched):

* Turn Titan into a Constitutional Monarchy, running Demo/Green/Knowledge/Eudaimonic
* Expand onto other moons of Saturn, and possibly helping other colonies (eg. Jupiter or Uranus) in gaining independence from the opposing EC
* Overthrowing the Earth government and placing a group that would sympathise with them
* Eventually become the superfaction of the Sol system and having most colonies under their banner
* Her final wish is to move the throne to Earth and unify the whole Sol system, carefully manipulating the Terran Alliance to their desires, having one and single faction in the system, the Brotherhood of Sol (or something )

So you can see that I am confused.

* They dissagree in economic policies with Morgan
* At first they could see the Spartans as their potential ally
* If they want unified system, then they would see likeness with the Hive

Ideas?

Of course these are just Maria's dreams and aspirations so DON'T take it literally.

[Frankychan]

Sorry, I might need to clarify my earlier posts after reading them...

What I meant by the Hive causing discontent is that Hive agents would cause destruction and mayhem and make it look like the Morganites were the cause. Also, G.H.E. agents would stir up the populace in support of war against Morgan by propaganda and such.

Any colony that sides with Morgan would be seen as a collaborator and enemy to the G.H.E. Therefore, Yang would try and help the Terrans bring control over the secessionist colonies.

Cybergod,

I like the idea of the Constitutional Monarchy idea. However, it seems like Maria Sanchez will eventually come to a fork in the road. Side with Kessel and Sparta Prime or Yang and Hive Prime (sorry Sprayber if it sounds like I'm imitating your homeworld). All I have to say is that if it looks like Maria can unite the Sol system under its one banner, Yang would fully support her attempts.

However, if it looks like Maria doesn't look like she will succeed, Yang would support the already established government. The Hive's main goal is for the Terrans and Morgan Interstellar to engage in a lengthy war to drain Morgan's resources.

Sprayber,

Did you get my pm?

On a side note.................it's good to be back!

[Sprayber]

Hey all.

Franky: Sorry I didn't get the PM until just now. I'll get back to ya about what I think.

Here is a little dose of what kind of Spartan fighters you or the Terrans may face soon.

http://www.geocities.com/kessel74/SpartanFighters.html

[Kassiopeia]

I won't quote here, but Sprayber got the reason of the Terrans not wandering out of Sol pretty well. They'd get quickly a bloody nose as the Chironians get busy, and the tables would turn swiftly.

Btw Sprayber, your fighters are quite big. They would be Corvettes in the Sol scale. I guess everything is big in Sparta Prime
Oh and the S-15 - I once had a model kit of that ship. Some Star Trek ship IMO.

I've been doing some "drawing" I'll get the results on my web site, probably in this week.
I just wanted to say that I got a very good source of inspiration from the Narn cruisers from Babylon 5. The shape served as the basis of the Solaris class, the pinnacle of Coalition Navy, and also a supercarrier class. Also I've got some smaller capital ship classes and transport ships sorted out, I just need some technical data out on them.

Of course these are just Maria's dreams and aspirations so DON'T take it literally.

Some dreams. Maria ought to be lucky the Coalition (or to my understanding not a single faction) does not have any mind probing technology or alike. They would, no matter the costs, bomb the surface of Titan to particles!

[[LordLMP]]

Pirate Agenda:

Kane, leader of the Wolverines Clan, plans to unite the pirate clans, atleast all of the big ones, into the Pirate Empire...instead of an emperor, the most dominant and popular clan leads the empire by strength... of course, the empire may not control any habitAble worlds, but can still be semi-nomadic With the Wolverines new tech they acquired, and still developing, may give them an edge... especially better construction technology, building ships lot quicker.... as well some advance automation technology that can lower the needed crew members.... but they still in the process in figuring out to make full use of them. So still need to acquire some techs..... so tha would explain why there is Pirate incidents involving stealing a Warlock-class Battlecruiser, stealing various nanotechnologies and also currently seeking better robotics technology, so they can start producing "androids" or something.... either that or advance holographic and sentient algorithms techs.
Along with Kane's nack for pirate politics, and diplomacy, starting in 2700, already have several of the more dominiant or simply unique clans among the Pirates...providing interesting resources... also in good relations with the Data Angels.
So the factions will notice that the pirates starting to be more and more organized....also stronger in some cases... they become a threat to some.... especially when they are all spread out and the majority of their holdings are hidden and etc.

So Kane's would have more success if the other Factions are busy with the Terrans. So Kane will take advantage of the war by "looting" some needed stuff from the Morganites/Drones/Spartams...maybe as well as the Peacekeepers...... but i don't see the Peacekeepers getting involve unless the Terrans are attacking Alpha Centauri.....but they would rather go Diplomacy first :P

Terran Alliance Fleet:

Fleet Admirable Stukov is the supreme commander of TAF and TAF is the main defence force of Sol... when war breaks out, TAF will have incredible influence and control of the Terrans forces....but the members may get easily influenced by propaganda and so on.... but TAF cannot as it is strickly a military organization. TAF as its own Intelligence and as infiltrated all of the members, except maybe the Scions... as it is hard to mimick their looks without becoming one. Stukov does want to see Sol trully united, but not under Coalition banner, or any banners from outside of Sol.... more like a trully united Terran Alliance.... so if the members squabble among themselves or any taking advantage of the war to gain power in Sol, TAF will say hello and put them back to their place. So treat TAF as a factor, as seperate group entirelly to consider.

So, TAF will be against any outside of Sol influences. Will also not tolerate members fighting among themselves for any reason. Stukov is of course willing t simplify Sol politivs even more as real simply Democracy without to much asle.



-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

Anyone heard of the Bussard collector (or Ramscoop)? It's famous from the Star Trek series.
It's a device that collects interstellar matter so that, primely the hydrogen free there, can be perused as fuel.
My point: Could we have it as accepted technology? I was thinking the new dreadnaught of the Coalition Navy could have a (experimental?) Bussard collector to increase operational range.

[Cybergod]

LMP, have you been playing too much Starcraft latelly?

People prepare for Sol propaganda to begin soon. I do not wish to take any sides yet.

Factions we'd probably like to be allied with are:
* Gaians
* University
* possibly Drones, Believers, Peacekeepers and Data Angels

We'd like to stay neutral with super-powers - Hive and Spartans, for the while But we'd apreciate it very much if Morgan would destroy InEn

We'd probably switch to semi-builder mode after gaining independence, building up more colonies and weapons

Enough of my blabbing, start writing Nikola!!!

[Frankychan]

LordLMP,

I was wondering if the Pirates would be willing to have some "business dealings" with the G.H.E.? I don't want the Hive storyline to get too cluttered with all that is happening so far, but I would like it if there were some "backdoor-dealings" between the Pirate Clans and the Hive Empire...like raids on certain outposts or supply lines

I do hope however, that you try and not have any Pirate Clans operating within designated Hive space...operations near Hive outposts, colonies, and military installations would be preferable.
Pleeze!?

Cybergod,

I'm flattered that you think of the Hive as a super-power. Compliments like that will only make the Emperor more pleased with Titan's ruling class.

Sprayber,

I'm thinking of having my envoy drop near the border to start diplomatic negotiations. Do you need more time to think of what you are going to write? Cause if you do, I'll postpone the arrival a couple more days and write about something else. If not, I will have the Ambassador M'rocks arrival posted this Wednesday...Friday night (PST) at the latest.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by kassiopeia
I won't quote here, but Sprayber got the reason of the Terrans not wandering out of Sol pretty well. They'd get quickly a bloody nose as the Chironians get busy, and the tables would turn swiftly.

Btw Sprayber, your fighters are quite big. They would be Corvettes in the Sol scale. I guess everything is big in Sparta Prime
Oh and the S-15 - I once had a model kit of that ship. Some Star Trek ship IMO.

Kass, I was just talking about the possible war with Morgan. Sparta really isn't going to confront the Terrans just for colonization. As long as there are different factions and no real strong central power, Sparta will be content. If the Terrans try and take Morgan territories then that is another thing. Sparta can't allow that. Now if you take the PKs or Hive then Sparta might even help


about the fighters.

an American F16
Length: 49 feet, 5 inches (14.8 meters)
Height: 16 feet (4.8 meters)
Wingspan: 32 feet, 8 inches (9.8 meters)

Spartan S15
Length: 14.8 Meters
Hight: 4.8 Meters
Wing Span: 11 Meters

The wing span is a little long but if you look at the picture that is kind of reasonable. I figure that most future space fighter would be smaller, but this is just one of sparta's bigger fighters. they have smaller ones. I just haven't gotten them up yet. Now the S10 is bigger, but it's more for taking out stations and orbital defenses and even larger ships than a true figher.

Length: 16. Meters
Hight: 5.8 Meters
Wing Span: 12 Meters

And the S9 is a defensive fighter designed to compliment my System Patrol Crafts.

I got some good pictures of Narn crusiers if you would like them. as well as a schematic of the star furies.

Franky: If you don't mind, could you postpone the arrival of the hive ambassader. I have to make a large post to catch up concerning thing going on in Ironholm and Sol.