Beyond Alpha Centauri: Discussion Thread

[Frankychan]

Thanx Kass and HistoryGuy,

I was thinking the Greater Hive Empire would like to see the InEn do some major damage. Considering Morgan is a little "chummy" with Sparta and the Hive has a secret relation with the Bree, if the Hive could weaken Morgan we could have a better chance against Sparta if war did break out.

The Drones sniffing around Bree space, Sparta breathing almost down our backs...damn.!

[[LordLMP]]

Thoughts about Hive... Greater Hive Empire, base on the name and the description of the architecture/society, i think the Hive went backwards from the Yang's vision of the perfect society.... did Yang bang his head in some point, or just lost it later on...due to old age maybe? sorry :P anyway, as for the large Hive armies.....clones? something like ala jem'hadar soldiers? From what i know of the new Hive, without reading the story, Hive isn't part of humanity anymore... like the Scions are sort of not aligned with Humanity anymore. Hive also be good in psionics, after the Gaians?

thoughts of the factions:

Spartans: militarists, special in warfare in general

Free Drones: exel in space construction and robotics...advance industrial automation makes impressive ship yards, allowing the drones to build ships slighty faster and more efficiently. monopolize in space construction. into advance mining as well?

Morganites: they monopilize in sub-systems, ship hardware, FTL engines, Antimatter FTL fuel, etc... insterstellar corporation like

Gaians: exel in biotechnology, psionics, terraforming, agriculture, etc... they are quite mysterious and hard to probe

University: leading faction in technologies, specialize in FTL technology especially.

Peacekeepers: general faction who has one of the biggest space forces.... litterally the interstellar peacekeepers... are still into enforcing their UN Charter, but the sorta gave up with their UN part of their name.

Cyborgs: they are quite mysterious and monopolize in FTL communication business. They operate the most effective FTL Comm Centers. The location of their homeworld is unknown, but they are nearly all among the Chironian factions, if welcomed, by operating their Comm Centers, Comm arrays, general exploration and studying things which doesn't interest the other factions, drop Nav Buoys, etc.... They seem to tbe only to some how succeed in establishing an effective continuous subspace information/datalink network.... but do not share their knowledge. If no takes them by the time i get the other stuff, will write a bit more about the cyborgs. They do not operate much of a space force.

Believers: they are more open minded then what they use to be.... their religion evolved. the only known holdings of theirs is on Chiron and some few bases on other faction controlled worlds. They seriously don't have much of an space force. They seem to have "Missionaries" all over Chiron space, and slowly starting to showi up in Sol. Their probe stats as improve because of their ability to have missionaries all over the place.

Cult: stuck on Chiron, mainly keeping themselves busy by nursing Planet back to full health after its "Flowering" after some of the larger Exoduses from Chiron.

Pirates: desc later

Data Angels: vague desc later

Proginators: just to say, the other proginators in the galaxy don't know of what happened on Chiron and still asn't realize that Chiron is Manifold Six.... if they ever somehow find that out, they may end up launching a crusade for Chiron.

-LMP

[History Guy]

Franky, that's not a bad idea...

But anyway, I was sorta thinking the same thing. My idea was that it was Hive guys, or perhaps some allies of yours, that managed to get down on the moon to shoot our diplomats. The guy who did this was described as being clad all in black, but he was assumed to be InEn. Of course, he could not be identified because his head was pretty much destroyed by my security guys with their chaos pistols. In other words, this whole war is a set-up. Maybe the same probe guy could have done in an InEn diplomat in secret before he went on to O'Loughlin, or something to that effect, so the Hive or it's ally could have engineered this whole war in their greater plan to stop the Spartan invasion. But listen up, we Morganites may not have a large army, but we are the best equipted army out there, and if needs be we can call up help from Sparta, the Drones, and perhaps even Saturn and the University. So there. Those Hive guys and their silly little dictator and that Minister Ehud. Humpf.

PS, the Hive guys will only be taking advantage of the present Morgan-InEn crisis. The two ships shot each other down, and all. The only thing Hive is doing is to murder delegates and make it look like the other side did it. InEn really sends those ships out after the diplomats...and now I'm ranting...

[History Guy]

I was thinking along those lines for the Believers. Who is their leader now? Has the mad Sister Miriam retired? In my next post I intend to have some Believers at Morgan Interstellar. The next post will be pretty long though. Strategy Sessions, War Council, and the memorial service to the dead diplomat. And the post after that will have the recruitment of the Morganite army, basic training, and being shipped off to InEn territory. However, I intend to trick InEn's leader as to where Morgan is heading, if that's ok. You'll have to wait for the next post to find out about that though.

[Sprayber]

hey guys, Sparta has to find out where the Hive homeworld is before it can even think about invading. All they did was to go into an Unoccupied neatral system and start laying down colonies. It just happens to be that the system is close to Hive space.

[[LordLMP]]

Terran Alliance may be loose, but not completly loose where its members hoot they want. There is a Terran Alliance in place, and will defend Sol and it ally members holdings. So any attack in Sol will draw the Terran Alliance fleet's attention and will go in to defend. I can see some trade happening between Sol and the chiron factions...but not complete full trade just yet, especially when the Terran Alliance have the attitude that all of humanity should go under one banner...meaning, some friction. lately, the Terran Alliance as an decent size fleet of their famous/infamous Battlecruisers, along with supporting ships. Reason why the Alliance is loose at the moment because isn't much focus... if lets war starts up, may finally smart the alliance members up and work together in a common goal. I am sure some Chiron factions can see that and rather not get into conflict with a united Sol.
InEn is a member of the Terran Alliance....so openly attack InEn, especially in Sol, InEn can bring it up in the Terran Council and get the Terran Alliance Fleet to pounce on the Morganites.

Since Sol and Chiron have some friction, hard to think they will allow the Morganites own some holdings in Sol.....depending on the Sol faction anyway....

Titan declaring independence from Earth Coalition, yes, but rather go on its own as a new member of the Terran Alliance or not?
I can see Mars Combine, Scions, and Venus identifying Titan as an independent colony and support the idea of them being a new member of the Terran Alliance in the Terran Council. Also, I can't how Titan be much of an help to the Morganites lol

Oh, just to say, i found a cool pic of realistic ship, with Titan in the background....also with the words on it, "Titan's last hope", or something to that effect. Pretty neat and i can see Titan operating a small fleet of ships...the local militia in a way. But do they have access to FTL ships? don't know :P

After i get the space map done, i would like a list of holdings for each of your factions(like outposts, colonies, starbases, ship yards, bases, etc and don't need names for all of them), an general idea of how big the fleet is, etc.... Nothing wrong for factions to share worlds or systems just to say, especially if they are friendly to each other. Take the clans in Battletech....they share some worlds

found some good resources to make an starmap...and the wing commander map very helpful, freaking split into sectors and quadrants and a lot of systems are renamed for the game or fictionous.

-LMP

[Kassiopeia]

OK, so this happened at Moon:

1. Morganites land.
2. Peace talks, which end with Morganites leaving.
3. Hive agent comes up, blasts Morganite delegate and is killed himself.
4. Morganites take off.
5. InEn frigates pursue. Coalition gets freaked, demands them to leave the ship alone, InEn fleet commander does not want to kill them either.
6. A Nova Saturna agent with some secret data escapes the base and hands over the data to innocent bystanders before dying.
7. Morganite ship manages to flee Sol.

Looks like a shared InEn / EC post coming up.

Sounds reasonable. The Hive starting to back up InEn sounds rather promising.
LordLMP is correct about Terran Alliance; If InEn asks, Coalition and Alliance will come to their aid, and could also rally up member faction ships.
But I would say that they will assist only in defending Sol assets, since it is more of a defensive union. I doubt TA would start to send attack fleets all the way to Castor. And the Morgan Industries at Earth will be seized, of course.

If (Or is it when? ) Titan breaks off from Coalition, they will have to probably try to gain Alliance membership to prevent Coalition from coming and retaking the colony (which they will attempt, surely).
I don't think Titan needs FTL ability, though.

So, History Guy, how about my suggestion of attacking Callisto first? There will probably be lots of diplomacy to mock about with first, however.

(By the way, this multi-author story thread - or what do you call it - officially rocks. )

[Cybergod]

Originally posted by [LordLMP]
Titan declaring independence from Earth Coalition, yes, but rather go on its own as a new member of the Terran Alliance or not?
I can see Mars Combine, Scions, and Venus identifying Titan as an independent colony and support the idea of them being a new member of the Terran Alliance in the Terran Council. Also, I can't how Titan be much of an help to the Morganites lol

Oh, just to say, i found a cool pic of realistic ship, with Titan in the background....also with the words on it, "Titan's last hope", or something to that effect. Pretty neat and i can see Titan operating a small fleet of ships...the local militia in a way. But do they have access to FTL ships? don't know :P

I was thinking that Titan would just split from direct strictly-controlled government from Earth and would end up like Mars, with its own independence within the Allliance. I don't think Titan will have FTL ships since supporting such vast and advanced forces would hurt its already fragile economy. BTW, please send me that picture

I will post soon - describing more the social life of ordinary Titans and introduce a new character into the story - Maria Sanches!

[Kassiopeia]

By the way, Cybergod, when the Titanians declare independence, they need to make it so that they have enough time to make their issue within the Alliance. Otherwise the Coalition will quell the rebellion quickly.

[History Guy]

Oh yes, we shall attack Callisto and (hopefully) get something worth while out of it, but the old CEO is going to confuse InEn a bit as to where he will attack. Hey! How should we plan the gist of this war, who loses what and who ultimately wins? Obviously we shall both suffer a few defeats. This thing, as I see it, is just part of the grand scheme in order to protect the Hive Empire, if Franky would agree to that. The murder of Morgan diplomats by a Hive probe officer is the only thing they need to do to get the ball rolling. InEn would have no knowledge of this (until possibly later). If the Hive and the Terrans come to the protection of InEn, we may well have to create a Chiron Coalition, or something to that effect. Sparta, Morganites, University, Drones being the top bunch, with the Peacekeepers and the Gaians sort of remaining neutral in the whole business. How's that sound?

As for the Titans, they may well pose no major threat to the Terrans, but if the Titans secede from the Alliance and form a mutual-defense pact with Morgan, Terran aggression toward the Titans would be seen as an act of aggression toward the Morganites, and we shall hasten to protect our friends, despite the small size of our army. I should hope that the Terrans do not attempt to crush the Titans if they declare independence. I should hope it is a constitutional right. If not it is a sure sign of despotism in the Terran government. I should hate to think that the pleasant gentleman Mr. Tremaine is a cruel, overblown, mad despot.

For the Morganite army, I wish to find a way to use it effectively without it becoming over-extended. I am sure our valiant Morganite citizens shall rally to our colors after the InEn "atrocities". If not we shall seek assistance from our powerful allies, though hopefully we shall not have to resort to such actions. The Morganites would much prefer to get this thing done on it's own, but if this thing gets too big (i.e. Hive or Terran assistance) we shall have to call for help. This thing is shaping out rather nastily isn't it?

[Sprayber]

Hmmm. The Spartans wouldn't mind having a piece of Terran pie. I think that the war should be limited at first. Keep it simple and let the possible hive involvement come out slowly. The Spartans would of course be happy to help. But they would expect some influience after Sol is crushed under the combined weight of Spartan and Morgan troops. But I have a bad feeling that the Bree may have some plans for the Spartans and drones.


To be honest Sparta isn't too interested in Earth and the Sol system. But, if the hive is there, than you bet the Spartans will be comming.

[Frankychan]

well said Sprayber,

I was thinking that the Hive involvement would be as minimal as possible.....at first. I have my hands full right now, need to open diplomatic channels with the Spartans, Drones near Bree space (we can't have that!), and the InEn/Morgan crisis.

The ambassador post will probably show up in a couple of days. Hive agents will contact InEn soon but I need to introduce InEn to the Hive political arena.

I have finals for school this week and next week so if I do post within the next week....you guys can either chastise me or gape in awe in my wonderous magnitude of my omniprescence god-hood like powers that mortals cannot comprehend.......ok, maybe that was a littletoo much

(oh, all you people out there in internet land know I'm joking right? )

[Frankychan]

Dang, forgot to acknowledge HistoryGuy,

Sorry History, what you and Kass are proposing sounds really good to me. The G.H.E. would cause a breakup in the already unstable Morgan/InEn relationship just to 'protect' Hive interests. However, I have to let all the readers aware of the fact that the Hive does know about Earth and its political scene.

Ok, so here's the basic plot from the Hive perspective:

Sparta wants to find Hive homeworld. Morgan, a "pal" of Sparta supplies military tech.

InEn, who is @ war w/Morgan, is contacted by Hive agents to help cause some major damage to Morgan. Hive thinks that the weakened Morganites would not be able to support Sparta if war breaks out between Sparta/Hive.

Hive is afraid that Drones will find evidence that Bree and Hive are in collaboration tries to prevent Drones from getting close.

Ok, I think I've covered the points. Sprayber, just to make it clear (cause in your earlier posts you sounded kinda mad ) I know that war hasn't broken out yet between us but just trying to make the plot a little intriguing

It's funny how one little incident can cause a maelstrom of chaos. I'm reminded of the quote:

The beating of a butterfly wings in China can create a monsoon in the Pacific

.........or something to that effect

[Sprayber]

Franky: I never get mad where this is concerned. I will joke from time to time, but never get mad. Now the Spartans are a different story.

I just wanted to be sure that everyone knows that he Spartans moved into neutral space. What would be cool Franky if you want to is for the hive to do the same in a system near by.

Let me let you all in on my thoughts on the Spartans.

1. They are conservative by nature.
2. They don't like a lot of change(especialy expansion by their enemies)
3. When they do somthing as dramitic such lauching a massive colonization effort like this, bet that it has been planned for a long time and is a part of a long term operation.
4. They stick by allies, and stubbornly resist long term enemies.
5. When lauching an attack, they will have simple goals and not get bogged down in anyone place if it jepordizes their overall vision.

ex. attack on Conventry

They attacked Coventry after years of build up. They attacked coventry in order to secure New Caladon(which was located very close to spartan space). When the citizens resisted heavly on Coventry they allowed a diplomatic solution to solve the problem. They had secured New Caladon and would have been over extended with Coventry anyway. The Spartans are satisfied with the current situation with the Peacekeepers. So they will not seek to distablize.

The bree represent something different. The Spartans despise the Bree. If allowed to, the Spartans would exterminate the Bree. They think the hive is in league with the Bree. To the Spartans, this makes the Hive no longer a human society. The Spartans will not attack the Hive until they have located the homeworld and have a very good idea about what is going on. For now they will be careful with the Hive, But will destroy any bree vessel that enters spartan space. In fact, they will consider any bree vessel hostile anywhere they encounter one. In Drone space, morgan space, terran space, anywhere.

[[LordLMP]]

Sol maybe generally slightly behind in tech in comparison to Chiron, but don't underestament them thought. The Terran Battlecruiser is to be a tough ship, which by 2700 and using the mass production capabilities of Earth and Mars, they built quite a fleet of them. As for the Battlecruisers "super" weapon (which isn't, just deadly), the Ion Beam Cannons....where the Yamato Cannon would be in Starcraft. I will make a short brief as to how the Battlecruiser comes to be, after the starmap..... Also, the Terran Alliance Fleet as been built up a lot, which at the moment are only use for defence and limited in what they can do due to politics. But if war does break out, the Terran Alliance's Fleet Admiral, the head moncho (which i prefer someone that cannot be easily influenced by any faction in Sol or elsewhere).... He will not hesitate in launching some military strikes, to show that the Terran Alliance is not to be mess with...will also not allow politics limit his ability to lead the TAF....so will pretty much assert control of the Sol Forces...if not, they are to be considered the enemy.

Sol also as a large production base and an large population.... not to much a freaking large fleet for a single system....which the majority are lowtech and militia base.

Sol may look pathetic, but if war does happen, you would have awaken a sleeping giant to be, and provide the Terrans enough justification to go on Conquering.
Can have this a issue in the Terran Council...go on to expand in a crowded space via military means or eventually and slowly follow their "manifest destiny" to unite all of humanity.

War would also sort of be good news for Titan....something that distracts Earth Coalition and declares independence...and if EC does try to retake Titan during a period of war, the TAF Commander will pounce on EC for causing trouble within Sol and automaticly give Titan its independence, as long they are part of the Alliance.

TAF ground forces will be something like Battlezone 2 mix with Starcraft.

Anyway, would like to play the no nonsence TAF Commander i know i know... but decided to rather play where it is needed until some else controls them :P Pirates still mines, as i have a good ideas for them....unite the Pirates and form the Pirate Empire along with the Data Angels, if they are interested or any other little factions and independent groups..

-LMP