The Chiron Chronicle: Discussions 2

[Guardian]

Well, the Peacekeepers do want peace, but not with the devil...

It is true that Spartans are people, but they're not really seen as such at the moment.
That is, they're people, sure, but they're horrible evil people who'll shoot humanitarians in the back and massacre children with nerve gas. The concept of peace with this kind of people simply does not compute, even with the Peacekeepers. So, their image is gonna have to change...

Also, it is unlikely that the Peacekeepers will make any kind of agreement with Santiago, as they consider her a criminal, not a leader. They know that she personally ordered the mass executions at U.N. High Commission (War Outpost) during and after the last war, not to mention countless other crimes against humanity which they believe she either condoned or encouraged. The same goes for Helzburg (commanded the "special" unit who carried out the executions), Weiss (used prisoners as human shields... gassed Data Acquisition...) and minister of intelligence Alexandro Demeneras, whom they hold responsible for the nuclear disaster at U.N. SeaQuest.

So, a peace agreement with any Spartan government involving any of these is pretty much out of the question... preferably, all of them should be arrested and brought to trial for their crimes. The Peacekeepers will have no objections to Santiago's trial being held in Sparta as long as crimes against humanity is among the charges brought against her. Also, I imagine the Spartans themselves may wish to "nail" her for bringing dishonor and disgrace to their good name and getting them into this whole mess in the first place... could be a nice way to sort of "wrap things up" in the end...

Anyway, I suppose if the Peacekeepers somehow get in touch with someone... like maybe Kell or Kessel... if they can somehow be convinced to trust this new contact, they just might be persuaded to sort of "back off" for a while and let the Spartans sort out their own messes in return for... something...

[[LordLMP]]

The Junta would take lots of responsibility of the Atrocities. Junta, when it was first formed, ended being bit to powerful, got corrupted quite quickly. Santiego didn't have much leeway politicly...where the Junta can easily overthrow her if she does something they don't like and so on. she was almost like a puppet for them, beings used. So she pretty much got fed up with them and the distraction of the war, having strong support, and so on, she iniciated the coup against the Junta. Of course, after been used by them for awhile, she may of got corrupted a bit. and paranoia. Sparta Kell represents what a true honorable Spartan Soldier should be, not a savage barbarian, and does follow orders, unless its going way to far. Mainly why Santiego chose him and she knows a lot of spartans are like that, something she encourages... something she tried to be, but darn hard with the Junta and other things. so, well, yeah. And since the faction is a police state, doubt general population don't seriously know about the atrocities the troops have committed and has far as they know as to what is going on, the communication grid is screwed up, possibly sabotaged or something. The Spartan Navy would still be of pre-war size, as no spartan ship has been sunk, only damaged...and may of gain another foil or two from some of the coastal bases. anyway, Spray, you are running the faction, you do what you want with them....with reason, realisticly and common sence, and SMAC like

Darkcloud: As for the extra bases, too late now, its there. Zarya-Sunrise existent for one as already been aknowledge actions from Cyber...where some Spartan probes currently hanging out. Outpost #1 and Cosmograd are two different bases...cosmograd hear the Morgan/Data Angel borders and not to far from University Base. most of the bases you mention that shouldn't exist...can say they are small bases of low population. Just trying to have about equal amount of settled territory among the four factions on the continent. Don't you have the map?? could of mention it way before too... oh well, to late, they exist :P they wouldn't exactly be considered important or important targets. Cosmograd, yes and Zarya-Sunrise too, perfect place to support trade and so on...of course, not during the war.


I will get around to send a copy of the updated map to all of you, even if you don't have SMAX... sorry can only make small simple not very detailed GIF pic of the map as they get pretty large easily in size of the pic and me have a slow modem :P

[[LordLMP]]

You can share Secret Projects with an ally faction, especially a direct neighbor. Of course, some Secret Projects cannot be shared. Also, it is possible for the Faction with the Secret Project could charge other factions or whatever for some tempory/limited benefit. Like for example, if a faction haves the Cyborg Factory, another faction could pay the owner of the Project or whatever to enhanced an unit or two and so on.


SPray, do remember that the Assault Rovers Commander Cooke commands are ELITEs. and are equip with Soporific Gas Pods, which removes two moral from the unit being attacked....and so on. or only one if bombarbed by artillery with the gas. in the future, make note of it

remove two probe teams? asking the Data Angels that? i would think the Data Angels lots of Probe Teams, and help train Pirates and so on Probe Teams. Pirates have about 15 probe teams...14 at moment, as one team may have been loss against the spartans...and 5 Probe Cruisers. Do remember, Probe Teams are cheaper to build and maintain...like the teams average from 5 to 10 members. Its only the training that takes some time when making probe teams :P

also, pirates disbanding two ground units? Only thing they done to University is bombarding some of their coastal bases and three Battle Dragon units helping out the Cyborgs and Data Angels against University ground wise. So aslong as either the Data Angels or the Cyborgs are still at war with University, pirates will still be aswell :P

[Guardian]

Sprayber... if you want to make Santiago look a little better, we could make up some sort of story about how she didn't actually order those executions after all... maybe someone else in the junta issued the orders in her name or something along those lines... maybe she was under a lot of pressure, etc, etc... and maybe, when all the facts are on the table, it turns out that her only crime in regards to all the atrocities was that she failed to stop them...
She would still be guilty as sin, but not nearly as bad...

And how to make the Peacekeepers believe all this?
Well, we could have one of their own probe teams find out about it when digging through old log files and stuff in search of evidence for the trials or something like that... Santiago might actually get some sympathy from some of the Peacekeepers, or at least they would not truly hate her anymore... Just a thought.

[Sprayber]

That would be an interesting story line. With my last couple of posts I was trying to head somewhat in that direction. I went back and read the post on the conquest of Ruby Ridge Memorial, oops I mean Data Acquistion , and copied some of the quotes from there. Maybe if the PKs sent in a probe team to Data Acquistion as a means to determine force allocation or something and one of them gets curious and downloads a few classified memos from santiago and helzburg to weiss. There aren't any probe teams there as of now. Santiago may sending some down soon but there aren't any there now. I could write up some classified memos to be found and send them to you over pm or email. Damn, does that make me a traitor?

A question to you all. Is my writing stlye ok? I seem to post quite a bit at a time going into a little detail. Is the detail distracting? Or is it not detailed enough?

[Guardian]

Personally, I think you're doing great!

...and there is already a PK probe team snooping around in Data Acquisition...

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[Sprayber]

I'll write something up and send it to you. You can add to if you wish, but I think you will get the direction I'm going in.

[Sprayber]

Thats it for me today. Need to get some sleep before it's off to work. Nice post Guardian, I do hope that Braddock isn't too disappointed. Think he might be satisfied with one or two war criminals? I think two generals would be nice prizes, no. Anyway hope you enjoy the paper trail.

edit: and thanks for the compliment on the writing. Another detail I just wanted to let everyone in on. Helzburg would like to contact Lal, but he cannot because all outside comm traffic is handled through Sparta Command. He can talk to Santiago, but not to anyone outside the Federation. Kessel is basically in the same situation. He can thought that he could talk to the governors but could not get into a command center to do it with. If he gets the comm. channels and codes to operate them he can then talk outside the Federation. You freedom lovers may not understand this but in Sparta, Sparta Command is the center of the universe.


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[[LordLMP]]

Oh, before anyone forget, what about Clayton, or whatever, which Cyber sent? I'm sure he would be near the Defence Lines by now :P or maybe he wandered off the wrong way or whatever. :P

-LordLMP

[Guardian]

Well, this is getting interesting...

Two Generals? As in Helzburg and Weiss? Yes, that would be enough to keep the hard-liners (like Braddock) in line... -But Demeneras (minister of intelligence) will still be no. 1 on their "Most wanted criminals" list...

As for Santiago... well, in light of what they're about to find out, the Peacekeepers' opinion of her will change... That is... they'll no longer hate Santi. An agreement with her is no longer so unlikely, and they won't be quite as hell-bent on having her brought to trial and convicted for crimes against humanity... But... all this hasn't happened yet... I'll post the beginning of it all a little later today...

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[Sprayber]

Helzburg is not stupid. With a semi-peace, he will look north towards Sparta Command. This is his big chance to get his own faction. Not another faction, but all of Sparta. He still has the main army that he will try and manipulate. The only thing that stands between him and being the new Spartan leader is a general on the run and Santiago. It is time to determine what Sparta is really all about. I'll have to read up on Clayton. I remember reading the whole thing about taunting the PKs with him but don't remember what happened to him.

edit: Am I correct to assume that the cult of war has been decimated except for a few inside Spartan territory? They will not be welcome in Sparta after things change.
[This message has been edited by Sprayber (edited April 25, 2001).]

[[LordLMP]]

I would think by now that the Cult of War troops are being wiped out now, but not without PK/Cult of Planet losses. The ones in the Sparta Faction, they would simply go back in hiding like they did before and they, with help of the Junta maybe, have extablished a base at Isle of Deiamera, Temple of War which i called it :P oh, Spartans still have a Outpost in the north pole and a Airbase they established in past two game years on the small island off the east coast...where the Spartan is hiding between of.

Don't forget Voki! and the Professor :P have to check out the name of Svensgaard's assistant and Professor :P

-LordLMP

[Sprayber]

I keep intending to mention them. I was just wondering about the cult. They may prove to be interesting to create some trouble inside Sparta. I guess Temple of War will have to be retaken by the regular Spartans. Cult may not approve but they are going down. What are those Pirate rovers going to do now that there is a cease fire coming up?

The governors name is Pontas by the way.
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[Clear Skies]

Posted by DarkCloud:
OOC: ... will post later; Good, you didn't kill him, I can still do something with this great character- 'get one of his followers to go in save him, unbrainwash him- perhaps start another war- the Perfect society breaks off, University breaks into fringe groups- perfect... thanks SMAC!

Not a chance. The whole point is that his personality has been downloaded and irrevocably deleted. Basically, I have killed him, and taken over his body with a completely new personality. He can't be recovered or brought back in any way. All data regarding his memories, personality, everything that makes him him has been deleted and destroyed. That was the entire idea.
And why are you so obsessed with the break-up of the University? Can't they stabilise?

[Sprayber]

Guardian: Sorry for the long post. I started and just couldn't stop. I cut some out and will save it for a little later. You should be seeing a long line of civilians or at least hear them on certain comm channels. The Spartans aren't surrendering, the senior officers are not willing to hide behind civilians like weiss is. They will fight if attacked. Of course weiss still has officers that don't care too much for rules. Maybe by the time you guys reach the base there won't be anyone left.