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  • Surely the difference here is trade

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    • Originally posted by Lazerus
      quit rubbing it in i know im having a terrible game
      hey man, I'm not rubbing it in. I just think its funny that two closely cooperating factions go faster than double the tech rate.

      I'm too lazy to go closely investigating but I'd like to know the mathematics behind it.

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      • Well the map was smaller and the AI's researching lots of useless techs kept our costs low which helped.

        God damn PTS

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                • Need a resend somewhere ?
                  Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                  • Thanks laz.

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                    • Thought you might have gone AWOL on us there Al. Here is the turn.

                      I think there will inevitably be some period of time between finishing building everything useful that I can and getting airpower.
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                        This games looking more and more one sided :\ As i was saying to Setroc for any future all Hive games if you're going to ban the WP you need to atleast treble the cost of the PTS
                        Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                        • It says its still your turn Laz

                          I don't have infiltration on Setroc, so I wouldn't know, but is he making much greater labs than us? Also, he can't be in control of all 120 workers and surely is behind on supply crawlers as well?

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                          • Yeah... sure.

                            Planetary Transit System and huge maps with plenty of special resources devoid of fungus don't mix.

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                            • Hmm well that was weird, loaded up the turn and clicked end turn, must have saved and exited by mistake.

                              I should charge for this information but yeah, he's really beating you guys for tech rate and i'm getting nervous (as ever) about my lead.

                              Yes he can senethro, PTS + nerve staples and with the land on this builder map being so great there's plenty of 2nut squares (especially for you guys on the western side having more rainy) to make sure the base doesn't starve on its first turn allowing it to quickly spawn more bases.
                              I can't remember comparing his crawlers to yours but i'd guess higher, 2-3 workers on forests and the rocky mins+mines means he's starting to produce them rather fast now and his amount of formers is well ahead of you two.

                              I wouldn't say the situation is "utterly hopeless" but with no tech trading to allow others to cooperate against then Setrocs really in a 85% likely to win position now unless he decides to do something like planetbuster a worm near his HQ (go on do it !! its fun !! )

                              You definately should have built the PTS senethro even if you weren't really going to use it
                              Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendant, and to embrace them is to acheive enlightenment.

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                              • To be honest, my position on the power charts doesn't represent my position in the game (a crawler here is almost as effective as a pop point, but this isn't reflected on the charts). The important thing in an ICS, as we all know, is 100% use of tiles. The PTS doesn't help much on this front. It has helped a lot with speed of expansion, but even on this huge map, that isn't going to last for that long.

                                As for controlling my 120 pop, its easy on this staple-happy map. Yes, I've had to build more scouts than others, but since riots are delayed by however many staples I can apply, it hasn't been as bad as I thought it would be.

                                That said, I was 3rd for good reason, and now I'm at least as strong as Laz, so it obviously has had a profound impact. I don't think I can keep a hold of that advantage for too long though.

                                Let's not forget here that I'm a noob - Laz is still the guy you have to worry about

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