Naval Clash - Second Thread

[GeoModder]

Mmm, it costed me a 'chopper worth 131 energy, but Alphaville has switched production.

't Was a suicide run thus.

[GeoModder]

Turn played and forwarded... Sankis, be adviced there's a greenminded probe cruiser running around!

Rubin, are you preparing special 'accomodation' for Lal after his capture or what?

Barinthus, I prepared the way, but you must do it (correctly!).

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Military HQ reports another Hive base freed from oppression *yawn*

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[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Sankis
The brave Nautilus Marine corp establishes a foothold on Gaian Isle! Captured Gaians being transferred to their homeland.

Wait a second, you're saying that those human shields are in the bridgehead awaiting the impact guns of their brethern?

[Barinthus]

The Altantean courage continues to antonish me. Surely the blogs of Angels will be filled with praises for centuries to come

[GeoModder]

Just don't let that courage be spent for nothing...

Atlantis does not think light of it's heroes!

[Sankis]

Originally posted by GeoModder


Wait a second, you're saying that those human shields are in the bridgehead awaiting the impact guns of their brethern?

I never specified what would happen to the prisoners when they were transferred back home!

I'm also going to find that probe, even if it means sacraficing a damned plane!

[Rubin]

2206 to the Pirates.

I believe Monoliths remain even is terraforming lowers the squares to below sea level.

University Headlines:
For the first time in half a century, Brother Lal has agreed to reopen the diplomatic channels. University diplomats were able to procure a truce.
University citizens have been notified of imminent changes in social structure.
Gaian aircraft breaches University defenses and detroys military and civilian personel.
The Planetary Governor hopes for a swift recapture of former Angel bases and suggests to persuade Yang into signing a truce.

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Sankis
I'm also going to find that probe, even if it means sacraficing a damned plane!

Feww, for a second I thought you were saying 'sacrifying a damned planet'

[GeoModder]

Originally posted by Rubin
I believe Monoliths remain even is terraforming lowers the squares to below sea level.

Yes, I discussed this with the GM and he confirms this. Even to a low ocean level it remains IIRC.

Originally posted by Rubin University Headlines:
Gaian aircraft breaches University defenses and detroys military and civilian personel.
The Planetary Governor hopes for a swift recapture of former Angel bases and suggests to persuade Yang into signing a truce.

Now that the Hive-Angel front is stabilizing, does the Planetary Governor calls for 'persuasion' of Atlantean diplomacy towards the Gaians to end this war? Or should the Nautilus Empire be asked to settle for a truce?

It is the Atlantean view that it would not be wise to sign a truce with Chairman Yang until he has formally recognized the territorial integrity of the Data Angels and has payed an appropriate price for the sufferings done to Angel citizens in the still occupied territory.

[Sankis]

Originally posted by GeoModder Or should the Nautilus Empire be asked to settle for a truce?

Ok, now you're just talking crazy

Will be on the turn when I get home in ... 2 hours.

[Sankis]

Turn played and sent!

Question though. I remember one of the rules being extortion of the AI, mainly the asking for their bases or exchanging bases. if the AI offers you a base as part of a treaty, does that fall under the rule?
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After nearly a decade, Crow's Nest is once again a sea colony! Citizens rejoice!

The Gaian Capital of Gaia's Landing has been captured by the brave Nautilus marine corp! Gaian leader Diedre begs forgiveness, is denied.

[Mart]

Originally posted by Sankis
Question though. I remember one of the rules being extortion of the AI, mainly the asking for their bases or exchanging bases. if the AI offers you a base as part of a treaty, does that fall under the rule?

You can download rules for this game in the first post, where link is provided.

§ 16. AI Base Exchange

(1) You are not allowed to trade bases with the AI. That is, trading one of your bases for an AI base.

(2) You may offer bases as gifts ('a token of your gratitude') to the AI.

(3) Extortion of the AI is allowed, i.e. demanding that the AI transfers control of a base to your faction.

The way I understand this point is that one single option is not allowed, namely base for a base trading. Rubin you are the author of this ruleset and we should hear also your oppinion here.
The point I mean is the last choice in the screenie where there are seven choices:
"I shal turn over one of my bases to you"

The reason for this rule is I believe that AI has completely no "brain" in this form of trading. In one of my singleplayer games I checked that - and asked Morgan (AI player) for Morgan Construction - base shown on the screenie, having two 1-3r-1 units in it.

1 - my goodwill.... failed. Morgan did not want to do it. this would be asking for a gift. Is this extortion?

2 - you need but name your price, CEO. It was 3412 EC. With my +185 EC/turn and like 250 EC in banks it was out of question for me.

3 - I shall cancel brotherhood Pact - he laughed at me and for me this falls under term extortion...

4 - research - I had nothing at the moment...

5 - modest sum - around like 3412 or so...

6 - I shall turn over one of my bases, and here this choice is prohibited. Imagine that Morgan gave me that base of size 6 with all these buildings for some small, probably strategically unimportant for him base of size 2 having police scout in it and nothing more but recycling tanks.

So as I understand AI is only stupid in this last point. All other were ok for me, unless research maybe. Would some technology be worth of such a base? (Manifold Nexus included in its radius) some I guess yes, other would not be worth. Unfortunately, I have no good experience here. Rubin, what is your oppinion on this issue.

[Mart]

But regarding an AI giving you a base for signing a peacy treaty with it, I think it is ok.

[Sankis]

Ah, I must have read the rules wrong. I had thought it said "Extortion of the AI is NOT allowed"

[Mart]

I checked some other turn, where I could give Morgan 2 techs or maybe even more. He did not want to trade that size 6 and also even some small size 2.
Looks like here the AI is ok.
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Edit:

Out of curiosity I checked what would be the cost of mindprobe operation:
buying from Morgan: 3412 EC
mindprobing it: 2412 EC

strangely exactly buying costs 1000 EC more. I think it is ok. I haven't estimated that, but 3412 EC seems to cover like cost of all facilities when rushed for reasonable price and those two plasma units. more or less.