Bear Baiting 101 Tracking Thread

[Darsnan]

Originally posted by Flubber
To me the remedy is simple-- those that no longer wish to play enigma . .. don't .. . It took me two turns of one game to come to that realization and thats all the attention the issue warranted.

I agree with this approach wholeheartedly. There are enough players at every skill level that if you personally don't feel comfortable playing against a certain player, that you don't have to. Previous to this situation there were already several players on the boards which I steered clear of, simply because I don't want or need to interact with them, and I am sure that my "wheels within wheels" approach to my PBEM's has put me on some other people's ignore list as well. There are still enough PBEM's to go around for all.....


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[Flubber]

Well smackism . .. my remedy is simple

My personal belief is that enigma likes attention .. . I don't care to give him any

[smacksim]

Yes, your remedy solves your problem. But it neither helps anyone else, nor prevents others from having to waste their time.

As to the attention: Agree. I have some hours to waste on lavishing attention. Also, I enjoy looking for the best solution, rather than the most convenient.

Edit: Weirdly I chopped up two posts at the same time. Go Apolyton!

[smacksim]

(Smack has had a few Gaian Tonics whilst waiting for the turn in ACDG. Please understand)

Bah! You are either lazy or believe that Apolyton is a bunch of meaningless strangers. That is truly lame. If you would take a moment and reflect upon the best community you ever belonged to: your family, your sports team, your job, etc.. you'll certainly know that communities come to points at which they must FACE problems and not just selfishly move past them as individuals. PBEMs take trust. E_N has ****** that for us.

I'm stll planning on waiting a day or so before requesting a ban. In the case of some new evidence. Come forward and deal you cowards.

Is anyone here familiar with Outward Bound's philosophy on group formation? No, I don't subscribe to Outward Bound. In fact, I think they are a bit nuts. But I like this part of their philosophy b/c it ties in with Dewey.

to paraphrase: "Groups go through stages. Forming, Norming, Storming, and Performing". At each stage the individual reveals more of their true nature and deals with issues of responsibility and leadership. Groups that are unwilling to go through the Storming phase are unable to achieve the true performance of groups that have done so successfully.'

Success just takes facing the issues instead of ignoring them. Apolyton is enough of a community that I expect more from you. You have made time committments to things. you are invested in the forums and games. Now live up to it.

-S

[Flubber]

at smackism

I've been here for almost 4 years so I can do without the lecture

Word of this will spread and people will make their own decisions and IMHO thats as it should be

[smacksim]

I may be tonic'd, but I'm not a Believer. How about replying to my post instead of restating your 'I'll just help myself and everything will be fine' position? Where does that get us? I've been here almost 4 years as well, though not in this guise. What does seniority have to do with it except give you another excuse for not making a contribution to the future of the community?

Bah. I don't really expect anything more from Apolyton. I think you are missing out on improving things though. And you are doing so out of convenience rather than thought of your fellow or future SMACer. That's timid.

And another thing. I agree with your prediction that most will learn and it'll be common knowledge, etc.. I'm sure you will not experience any further unneccessary reading in your time here.

-Smack

Edit: Flubber, I'm not sure you are aware, but E_N is accused of cheating in nearly half of the active PBEMs currently running, AND the ACDG. Does this change the picture for you? No, I'm not on a mission to have him banned. Yes, I'm on a mission to have this dealt with without a mere dramafest (see HH's leaving post, all the PBEMs, and the ACDG), and certainly without an outright dismissal as you propose. That's irresponsible

Since you didn't reply to my post I'll give another example: Imagine a fisherman who runs aground on a reef. Ah, now he knows about the reef. He'll avoid it. The next day he meets a new fisherman and says 'Happy fishing'. No No No. He builds a lighthouse. That's all I'm saying. If you want to argue that lighthouses are ridiculous, go right ahead. -S

[Flubber]

Originally posted by smacksim
Flubber, I'm not sure you are aware, but E_N is accused of cheating in nearly half of the active PBEMs currently running, AND the ACDG. Does this change the picture for you? No, I'm not on a mission to have him banned. Yes, I'm on a mission to have this dealt with without a mere dramafest (see HH's leaving post, all the PBEMs, and the ACDG), and certainly without an outright dismissal as you propose. That's irresponsible

Since you didn't reply to my post I'll give another example: Imagine a fisherman who runs aground on a reef. Ah, now he knows about the reef. He'll avoid it. The next day he meets a new fisherman and says 'Happy fishing'. No No No. He builds a lighthouse. That's all I'm saying. If you want to argue that lighthouses are rediculous, go right ahead. -S

Your analogy makes my point-- you build a lighthouse (you warn people of the danger and then they sail wherever their individual boats take them), you don't dig up the reef

The one thing I have learned about this community is that there is a great variance of opinions. If some want to continue in their games with him, that is their choice. It would not be my choice.

My view does not come from apathy, it comes from the knowledge that there is no central authority that determines who can play whom. Personally I would never accept any such authority.

I do appreciate the community of players here but Enigma has done no irreversible damage. Replacements can be found in his PBEMS and life will go on as before.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by smacksim
(Success just takes facing the issues instead of ignoring them. Apolyton is enough of a community that I expect more from you. You have made time committments to things. you are invested in the forums and games. Now live up to it.

-S

I meet my commitments but frankly this forum and game rank pretty low in my priorities. I am here because I enjoy playing and talking about the game.

I have nothing at all invested in Enigma's status and no unmet commitments so what the heck are you talking about??

[smacksim]

O.K. Thanks. I can relate to that. I know I've gone off the deep end on this. I do see how it's like asking to dig up the reef. However, I do see that warning new players is a good idea, even in that framework. Since coming back I wasted 2 or three turns in 2 games with E_N. I would have appreciated his name in lights. This isn't a truckstop. Secondly, he's MUCH farther into some games, including the ACDG than just 2 turns. Why should we tolerate that?

-S

[smacksim]

Originally posted by Flubber
I meet my commitments but frankly this forum and game rank pretty low in my priorities. I am here because I enjoy playing and talking about the game.

Ok. Ok. You are right. It's not that important to most people. How would you feel 50 years into a Pbem if you found out you were playing a cheater and could have been warned?

Originally posted by Flubber
I have nothing at all invested in Enigma's status and no unmet commitments so what the heck are you talking about?? .

I didn't mean commitments in that sense. Rather, committed to seeing the forums work smoothly for your enjoyment and that of others. Comitted in that sense of 'I get a lot out of this place. Let me make sure I give back.' In this case I'm saying that means trying to help insure that people waste minimal time on cheaters in the future.

Anyways, I'm exhausted, and yes, a bit tipsy. Again, I apologize for lashing out, and am glad you found humor in it. I just went a little nuts today.

-Smack