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**BlackCat** · January 7, 2006, 17:08

Originally posted by Flubber

Thats silly-- Think about it -- Going heavily into energy instead of research for say 2 turns may allow you to build that research hospital at a key base 5 or 10 turns earlier. The added research from a 50% increase in your best base for for the 5 turns earlier you get the thing may be more than the research you had foregone

It is silly to work your ass of to get a tech lead if you never have the cash to build the infrastructure to take advantage of that tech lead

Ehr, looking at the saves he even not move the slider to improve research wich in my opinion is a little of an disadvantage. Oh, wtf, that could be a binding for a restricted game. but when learning the game it's plain suicide (experienced players can use stupid

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**Kataphraktoi** · January 7, 2006, 17:43

Originally posted by d=me

So I should have 11 bases right?

Not at all. With the ammount of drone control you have, you could likely put 20+ bases with no problems. that VW is useless if its not quelling drones

also,at your level of bases you would be hard pressed to get ecodamage atall. it dosnt matter

**Kataphraktoi** · January 7, 2006, 17:53

Ehr, looking at the saves he even not move the slider to improve research wich in my opinion is a little of an disadvantage. Oh, wtf, that could be a binding for a restricted game. but when learning the game it's plain suicide (experienced players can use stupid )

Hmm i would say vs the AI if you cant use 50\0\50 then you dont have enough infrastructure.

So what would be a smart way to manage the sliders?

Generaly i juggle it(switch back and fourth to 'f2' screen and 'e' screens, to get the tech fastest at start, then later generaly use whatever the situation requires. using them as you need would be smart. personaly-i think you have more important things to worry about, like bases, crawlers, and popbooming those bases.

**Kataphraktoi** · January 7, 2006, 18:30

Originally posted by Senethro

Edit: Trying to cause trouble about ICS again Cata?
Lazerus put me to shame in Felix Cactus. I'm going to need plenty more ICS games before I've got something decent, and I've been playing with Gaia and Sparta recently.

This is OT, but you should at least give me the sav you used to put me down a few months ago.i posted several of my savs in respond to your boasts\statements,which were disqualified due to cheating. then i post a legal sav about 10 times better than those(see my thread-wheras that PK was 2109(?) i transcend in 2218 in the other game) and i still cant see your sav, because its 'so bad'. whereas i didnt hesitate to post mine,which were not flawless productions.

i suppose when i finaly finish my sub2200 transcend game, i wont ever see a sav from you again as support for an argument then. (

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**BlackCat** · January 7, 2006, 18:33

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi

Hmm i would say vs the AI if you cant use 50\0\50 then you dont have enough infrastructure.

Well, call me a priest in the church of "control your enegy slider"

. It is true that that certainly is possible - I did it before I found the e button, but it extremely improves performance using it

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Besides, try to make a "get all SP" game with Miriam without doing it - if you can, well, then i'll consider myself as your humble servant

- current subject hasn't managed it yet

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 18:39

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi

to get the tech fastest at start,

So in the beginning of the game a huge amount of energy should go to research?

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 18:41

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi

Not at all. With the ammount of drone control you have, you could likely put 20+ bases with no problems. that VW is useless if its not quelling drones

also,at your level of bases you would be hard pressed to get ecodamage atall. it dosnt matter

But isn't the university 1 more drone for every 4 citizens? And how do drones increase in number exactly? And on free market, what if you are at war? Isn't it two extra drones for every military unit out of base?

**BlackCat** · January 7, 2006, 18:46

Originally posted by d=me

So in the beginning of the game a huge amount of energy should go to research?

Si !!! Everything that you can afford.

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 18:48

Originally posted by BlackCat

Si !!! Everything that you can afford.

But moving up the slider too much actually lowers the research ability. I don't get how the sliders work. And what is economy anyways? Is it the amount of energy you get every turn?

**BlackCat** · January 7, 2006, 18:53

Originally posted by d=me
But isn't the university 1 more drone for every 4 citizens? And how do drones increase in number exactly? And on free market, what if you are at war? Isn't it two extra drones for every military unit out of base?

1 more drone pr 4 citizen at each base - not totally. No matter what you do, drones won't be a problem if you have your infrastructure up to date.

Free market is another case. That can improve your performance if you are ready for it, but it isn't nessecary for you. Learn to control the game with other settings before choosing this - it isn't nessecary to win against the AI.

**BlackCat** · January 7, 2006, 19:01

Originally posted by d=me
But moving up the slider too much actually lowers the research ability. I don't get how the sliders work. And what is economy anyways? Is it the amount of energy you get every turn?

As I said earlier, some factions doesn't have a linear research/income relation. The reason for this is that energy is allocated on base level concurrently with waste. Since the bases are using whole numbers then you get different truncations wich wil vary the output- Therefore you have to check the energy often.

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 19:23

Originally posted by BlackCat

As I said earlier, some factions doesn't have a linear research/income relation. The reason for this is that energy is allocated on base level concurrently with waste. Since the bases are using whole numbers then you get different truncations wich wil vary the output- Therefore you have to check the energy often.

Is the university one of those factions? And how come factions function differently? Which faction has a linera research/income relation? When I move the slider to like 80 percent research the research is slower than 50 percent and I get less money.

**Kataphraktoi** · January 7, 2006, 19:23

Besides, try to make a "get all SP" game with Miriam without doing it - if you can, well, then i'll consider myself as your humble servant - current subject hasn't managed it yet

Tempting, but you probably mean a 2cp start,not on jungle...and no pod reloading

that would be rough

But moving up the slider too much actually lowers the research ability. I don't get how the sliders work. And what is economy anyways? Is it the amount of energy you get every turn?

If your base has 10 energy with sliders showing 50-0-50, then 5 will be labs and 5 will be EC. check the f2 screen to see how many labs you need for a advance. if the cost was 8 labs say, you might be able to get it in 1 turn by jumping the slider around. you will have to check back and fourth

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 19:24

Originally posted by BlackCat

1 more drone pr 4 citizen at each base - not totally. No matter what you do, drones won't be a problem if you have your infrastructure up to date.

Free market is another case. That can improve your performance if you are ready for it, but it isn't nessecary for you. Learn to control the game with other settings before choosing this - it isn't nessecary to win against the AI.

What about that unit out of base thing? If you are at war then most of your units will be outside.

**d=me** · January 7, 2006, 19:46

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