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[Kataphraktoi]

60 dollas a plane is dirt cheap with 'a few thousand dollers' as you put it.

[d=me]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
60 dollas a plane is dirt cheap with 'a few thousand dollers' as you put it.

So that's 3000 dollars right there. What about in the future there is another advance? another 3000? I don't think I have so many 3000s.

The problem is common in the real world. Like the US army has the technology for F22s but the vast majority of their planes aren't F22s, Same with the B2s, they only have so few of them and they are still you thing B52s. And the seawolf, same thing.

[BlackCat]

Well, I'm still curious - I rarely have more than a couple of dozens of choppers and maybe some leftover needles from before choppers became available - still it's enough to take out anything the AI can come with.

[d=me]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Well, I'm still curious - I rarely have more than a couple of dozens of choppers and maybe some leftover needles from before choppers became available - still it's enough to take out anything the AI can come with.

I thought choppers are weak.

[Kataphraktoi]

Can you upload a sav.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by d=me
I thought choppers are weak.

WEAK !!!!!!

Who has told you that fairy tale ????? They are some of the most powerful units in the game. IMHO only planet busters are stronger in immediate damage, but a chopper can be repaired and wreak havoc yet another time.

[Kataphraktoi]

I posted that at civfanatics sometime ago, and had reasons too well they were in that specific situation anyway. im still not a fan of choppers, although i build them now. come to think of it, im not using any choppers in PBEM im playing, and am winning those pbem. against well-prepared oponents they dont seem as attractive as more direct methods(aka ones that avoid aaa\aerospace) probably because the people i replaced in those pbem were builders and didnt attack agressivly when they had the chance and allowed massive buildup all around the table. against AI...choppers

[Kataphraktoi]

Just to clarify that,choppers rox.

there.now the lawyers cant get me

[Flubber]

Originally posted by d=me
The worst thing is that my production is lagging far behind my tech capabilities. Or else gaians would be gone already.

Thats silly. tech is only useful if you use it so reconfigure to use it

here's what you do--

1. Turn off your tech for 3 turns-- Set you allocations for as high cash as you can and make all your specialists cash makers

2. Stop making super expensive units-- Build the cheapest high morale plane/chopper that you can in two turns per base.

3. Upgrade as needed-- you should be awash in cash but your unit doesn't need to be upgraded necessarily. You can send your impact planes to bomb sensors or roads or to kill formers

4. Ensure you have an aerocomplex near the front-- This will heal your planes to full health in only one full turn of resting. Also if the aerocomplex is in the base building the plane, the plane is two morale levels stronger ( subject to a bunch of stuff but assume it will be 25% stronger)-- Pick your two best mineral bases and build an aeocomplex there. Then create a"trained" version of your plane or chopper that those bases can build in one turn-- YES ONE TURN-- then upgrade this plane to your best weapon when its gets close to the front-- Upgrade INDIVIDUALLY to retain morale effects

5. Find a way to use artillery. They cannot kill conventional units but they CAN reduce every unit in a base to 50% health. If the gaians have coastal bases, cheap best weapon, no armour ships are your best bet-- but even a cheapy impact boat can help.

6 . Use probeships-- The perimeter defense is irrelevent to air attack but you should try to probe down their aerocomplex-- Just try to move your probe into their base and choose the sabotage option

7. If you run short of cash, start stealing it from your enemies

Notes

a) I routinely rout AI platers with only a dozen units. That might be all I have at any given moment on the attack but I have a steady stream of replacements coming. Some die . . . thats life. Your 50 penetrators is overkill and you should diversify-- Upgrade you high morale ones and use the remainder for crushing easier targets

b) Build some expendable units and forget putting clean on them. If it will only live for 5 turns, its not worthwhile


After between 3-5 turns of cash focus you should have enough good strong units in existence to kill off the gaians and you can then return to out-teching the enemy or something

I would likewise like to see a save to see what the big problem is

[Flubber]

A typical attack usually involves a concentration of forces and goes like this

1. Choose victim base and concentrate forces

2. Probe until the aerocomplex comes down and use cheap planes to kill nearby sensors and to kill possible counter-attackers in the open-- Possibly cut roads (interceptors can do most of these missions but all planes lose to SAM rovers so accept that these planes are vulnerable)

3. Bombard with best-weapon artillery to reduce defender's strength

4. Kill all defenders with airpower

5. Drop in strong defensive units , interceptors at least one artillery piece and defensive probes.

Against the AI many of these attacks succeed without losing any units at all, but if I can't bombard enough or take down the aerocomplex sometimes losses are part of the game.

Notice though that good attacks use a combined force type doctrine

Seriously D=me, you should probably play and experiment a bit more. I enjoy your questions in a sense since there aren't many other ones on this board, but perhaps you should press F1 and see what an aerocomplex is, for instance

[Flubber]

Originally posted by d=me
I thought choppers are weak.

NOpe-- way stronger than planes EXCEPT they are vulneerable to ground/sea attack if they finish the turn outside a base.

Choppers are the primary offensive weapon in the game. The only advantage planes have is the ability to give aircover to ground troops and to ZOC ground troops.

I generally stopp building planes once I get choppers, except for some radar patrol planes off my coast

[Flubber]

Originally posted by d=me
So that's 3000 dollars right there. What about in the future there is another advance? another 3000? I don't think I have so many 3000s.

So what?? Do you want to kill the gaians now or don't you ??

This is another aspect of your game I don't understand. I rarely finish a turn with more than a 100 dollers or so even though I may be producing 2000 a turn-- It gathers no interest so I almost always spend it immediately

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Kataphraktoi
Just to clarify that,choppers rox.

there.now the lawyers cant get me

I wouldn't want to "get" you kata


Choppers do rock-- but airpower generally loses to a defender with aa and an aerocomplex(plus sensor). Thats why a key part of attacking is to get an aerocomplex down or to arty bombard.

Once you can get one base, you have a portal to allow your probes and ground units to attack into their empire

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Flubber



So what?? Do you want to kill the gaians now or don't you ??

This is another aspect of your game I don't understand. I rarely finish a turn with more than a 100 dollers or so even though I may be producing 2000 a turn-- It gathers no interest so I almost always spend it immediately

Or worse - they could be lost in a crash in the energy market (or whatever it's called) - I just hate it when it happens and I have more than a few 100 EC's

[Commy]

Never underestimate the power of amphibious units...your airforce may not be able to attack a base outright, but it can easily pave the way for a few transports...just pop a needlejet over any transport, and chances are your marines will easily make it to their target...

Comm jammers defeat mobile units, and AAA tracking defeats air power, but there is no defense against infantry when attacking a base...even with perimeter defenses and sensors, a little artillerly, a few missiles, or simply better weaponry can easily give you the advantage...the problem with infantry units is that its hard to reach an enemy base without getting wiped out...this isn't as much a problem with marine units as long as you keep them protected...