It's getting ridiculous...one month, two month, three month, four...

[DrSpike]

If you need assistance doing performance troubleshooting, let me know. I've done that kind of stuff on both Unix and Windows extensively.

I'm suspecting it's the database at fault. If the DB problems go away, so too will the DP (which only occur when the quick post doesn't post fast enough, due to DB problems).

I'd closely analyze the DB schema and compare it to how vBulletin is supposed to be laid out. Maybe Apolyton is missing some indexes or clustering configurations, such that the odd quirky feature hammers the DB instead of being quick like the code expects. And configure MySQL and its support tools to analyze specific queries that take longer than, say, 1 second and look for trends.

Still no response to this - yet every time the poor maintenance of this site comes up the management's response is that they try but can't get people to help. I know Asher is a pain and therefore a risk but as with the old adage beggars can't be choosers. At the very least the offer warrants a thanks but no thanks response.

[ColdWizard]

My point is, it must be on his end.

And my end, and Asher's end, and TCO's end, and NYE's end, etc?

[Nikolai]

Everyone not living in the socialistic paradise of Norway.

[Fve Crathva]

Time to burn it all down and start over fresh.

SP

[clever id]

My point is, it must be on his end.

For what it's worth, I've had alot of "server is busy" errors as well. Thought it was peak hours but I've been getting it over a mix of times.

[xmen510]

I got Server Busy this morning. When I came on in the afternoon, there were more Users on and everything was fine. Weird!

[DrSpike]

Still no response.

And random repeat threads are now appearing, with most posts removed. The site is dying and the powers that be don't seem to give a ****. I for one raise a glass to 'Poly's former greatness and lament.

[DanQ]

Still no response.

I responded in this thread last week. I have not followed-up as I have no news to report or relay. I cannot speak directly to the concern which I have acknowledged... it's not an area of the site's operation I have much knowledge or experience in.

The site is dying and the powers that be don't seem to give a ****.

I do care, DS, so save this overreaction. I can only do so much, and the rest of Apolyton staff can only do so much individually and collectively, when we're limited in number and time available to assist.

[Solver]

Save your doomsday speeches and drama, Spikie. Apparently you want us to spend our time not on discussing the site's future and working on it but on providing you with regular reports about what's going on.

[Asher]

How slowly do you type, Solver, if you can't find the time to type two sentences?

[Solver]

And that would be useful how? Other than the obvious fact that not everyone that's going on should be discussed publicly, what good does a few sentence statement do? Saying that we're aware of issue X, such as these slowdowns, and are working on it, does relatively little good. Detailed updates that actually contain a bunch of new information can't be done in a few minutes.

[Asher]

And that would be useful how?

Obviously to let people know some progress is being made, or at least an attempt to that effect.

Other than the obvious fact that not everyone that's going on should be discussed publicly, what good does a few sentence statement do? Saying that we're aware of issue X, such as these slowdowns, and are working on it, does relatively little good. Detailed updates that actually contain a bunch of new information can't be done in a few minutes.

We don't necessarily need detailed updates.

Okay, does anyone who works on Poly have any real experience with running services or websites? ****, at one of my jobs if we had system issues we had to provide the CIO of a massive company updates every 15 mins. The least you guys could do is provide weekly updates to the community.

[DrSpike]

Sorry Dan but I'm calling BS. You responded originally yes, but not since Asher's offer of help. And responding to that does not require technical expertise.

As to your second point I have to say that the same old tired lines about staff difficulties count for far less when you've got an offer of help you've ignored in this very thread!

And to Solver I call the same BS. Keeping people in the loop with what is going on need not take away from scarce technical expertise. We all know that Locutus and Gramphos are the only people with any real skill in that area and there are plenty of other staff members that can oblige on the comms side. As I've said repeatedly in this forum good comms is essential to keeping people engaged and actually generating potential volunteers. Staff shortages in the short term are unfortunate and can't he helped, and most of us appreciate how hard it must be. But I'm afraid I think that staff shortages that last years are just evidence of poor management and leadership.

Sorry if I appear shrill, but it's because I've been posting here for a long time and it's really sad to see the site go to the dogs like this without even a fight.

[Solver]

Frankly, I think the only people who can imagine that the admins and staff don't care and are sitting on their hands are the people that have the desire and determination to believe bad things about the site.

We do try and provide updates when it makes sense to do so. I admit that they may be too far between but your idea of a weekly update has little merit as well. What would it say? Like, root partition cleaned up, incremental backups have been automated and an issue with Apache spawning too many threads has been fixed. Something like that wouldn't even make much sense to most of the community. A generic "did some work to improve server-side performance" is too generic to be of much use.

And let me hazard a guess that the company you mention in your post was paying, and that the people providing these updates were paid employees as well. Since we have people doing this when they're available, it's generally a better allocation of resources to actually spend what time is available administering the server. Please remember that the only people who can really provide technical updates are the same ones that deal with the tech issues.

[Asher]

Frankly, I think the only people who can imagine that the admins and staff don't care and are sitting on their hands are the people that have the desire and determination to believe bad things about the site.

George W. Bush wants his logic back.