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**Terra Nullius** · November 4, 2006, 08:05

I'm happy to help you get your legs spread.

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**Heresson** · November 4, 2006, 08:20

Tell me it is not what I think it is...

**Terra Nullius** · November 4, 2006, 08:24

**Heresson** · November 4, 2006, 09:01

either

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**Terra Nullius** · November 4, 2006, 09:35

**DanQ** · November 4, 2006, 11:11

Moving on...

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Dan; Apolyton CS

**Bill3000** · November 7, 2006, 00:05

Bwahahaha.

Apolyton managed to make it with a keep consensus, but CivFanatics was merely left with a "no consensus!" And the actual debates in the CivFanatics article is just pathetic - quite a lot of it is a bunch of CFCers ignoring the rules on WP:WEB, breaking internet and Wikipedia ettiquite, personal attacks, et cetera.

Thanks guys for helping (As well as not bothering to pack votes - that's probably the worst thing possible from what I've seen in AFDs). Now it's time to improve the article - in particular, citations. Though most citations that would be useful would be third party citations, but eh.

**Solver** · November 7, 2006, 08:22

Third party are more useful, I'm fairly sure the names & issues of magazines that mention Apolyton could be given. Also, the book that comes with Civilization Chronicles, and, of course, the Firaxis/Civ4/BHG websites.

**Solver** · November 7, 2006, 08:44

Okay, Bill, do more editing

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About the games covered. There is no Civilization: Call to Power II. The game is called Call to Power II, with no Civilization. So that part should sound as "...Civilization:Call to Power, Call to Power II,...". You could/should mention that, in addition to all the games listed, their respective expansions are also covered. Add GalCiv2 to the list, remove "others".

For the History section, well, could use slightly more info from here along with references.

That should cover at least some minor improvements...

**LordShiva** · November 7, 2006, 08:53

Originally posted by Bill3000
Bwahahaha.

Apolyton managed to make it with a keep consensus, but CivFanatics was merely left with a "no consensus!"

**DrSpike** · November 7, 2006, 13:56

Originally posted by Solver
Okay, Bill, do more editing

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About the games covered. There is no Civilization: Call to Power II. The game is called Call to Power II, with no Civilization. So that part should sound as "...Civilization:Call to Power, Call to Power II

Probably better not to mention it at all - it would probably count against us.

**Dale** · November 7, 2006, 16:48

Don't forget to talk about Alt-Civs as well. This area doesn't get enough wrap on Poly.

For Alt-Civs you have:
- Candle'Bre (get Vel to write a wrap for that)
- my own Empires

Oh, there's some more Poly stuff that's published in books, Vels guides.

Dale

**MarkG** · November 8, 2006, 03:17

book reference

Designing Virtual Worlds
By Richard A. Bartle

Designing Virtual Worlds

http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0131018167&id=z3VP7MYKqaIC&pg=PA429&lpg=PA429&dq=apolyton&sig=ObD0bGmROpsTyEevaDDPqvQfOHc

Designing Virtual Worlds is the most comprehensive treatment of virtual world design to-date from one of the true pioneers and most sought-after design consultants. It's a tour de force of VW design, stunning in intellectual scope, spanning the literary, economic, sociological, psychological, physical, technological, and ethical underpinnings of design, while providing the reader with a deep, well-grounded understanding of VW design principles. It covers everything from MUDs to MOOs to MMORPGs, from text-based to graphical VWs. Designing Virtual Worlds brings a rich, well-developed approach to the design concepts behind virtual worlds. It is grounded in the earliest approaches to such designs, but the examples discussed in the book run the gamut from the earliest MUDs to the present-day MMORPG games mentioned above. It teaches the reader the actual, underlying design principles that many designers do not understand when they borrow or build from previous games. There is no other design book on the market in the area of online games and virtual worlds that provides the rich detail, historical context, and conceptual depth of Designing Virtual Worlds.

**Hercules** · November 17, 2006, 16:08

Good campaign guys.

**Will9** · November 19, 2006, 18:27

Originally posted by Bill3000
Bwahahaha.

Apolyton managed to make it with a keep consensus, but CivFanatics was merely left with a "no consensus!"

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Wait, I... uh... uh... mean finally! In your face CFC (Which needs a name change to something like: Civ Fanatics Urinating Center Klan.)

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