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    Woo! In particular, Apolyton was placed in a VFD because someone in the CivFanatics VFD pointed out that it wasn't being voted for deletion.

    Now, the exact thing we should not do if we would want to keep the Apolyton article is sim[ply pack votes. That's not how the Wikipedia deletion works - it's a matter of consensus, not voting.

    Simply put, we have to prove that Apolyton satisfies WP:WEB. WP:WEB is the notability guidelines for websites - remember that Wikipedia is not a web directory. (I'm rather annoyed at that, really - considering the fact that more and more people are using Wikipedia over Google) WP:WEB states that a website is notable if it follows one of the following criteria:

    1. The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself.
    * This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper and magazine articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations.[4] except for the following:
    o Media re-prints of press releases and advertising for the content or site.
    o Trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report the internet address, the times at which such content is updated or made available, a brief summary of the nature of the content or the publication of internet addresses and site or content descriptions in internet directories or online stores.
    2. The website or content has won a well known and independent award, either from a publication or organisation.
    3. The content is distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster.
    We'd need proof of it too. Meh.
    "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
    "Bill3000: The United Demesos? Boy, I was young and stupid back then.
    Jasonian22: Bill, you are STILL young and stupid."

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  • #2
    Well, http://apolyton.net/about/10/125/
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    • #3
      Re: Apolyton and CivFanatics up for deletion on Wikipedia

      Originally posted by Bill3000


      Woo! In particular, Apolyton was placed in a VFD because someone in the CivFanatics VFD pointed out that it wasn't being voted for deletion.
      Insecure obviously.

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      • #4
        Solvers link satisfies the first (which satisfies notability), and the fact that the Civilization 4 website (I'm going to assume that Civilization 4 is notable?) links to us would seem to satisfy the third as well.

        Delete Fails WP:WEB. Google returned search from Wikipedia, Answer and ads only. Further improvement is quite unlikely.


        What are they searching up? Apolyton Civilization Site returns Apolyton, Wikipedia, the Civ4 website, Galciv2, Gamespy, another Wiki, a Civ2 website, etc etc....
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        • #5
          Odds are this article probably wouldn't have been up for a vote to begin with if whoever wrote it had bothered to actually represent what we do and stand for, rather than go into silly things like the OT or Other Games that while they may be valid parts of our community have nothing to do with our core activities and certainly in the eyes of your average non-Apolytoner Wikipedia user wouldn't make us any different from a gazillion other gaming websites out there. I don't use Wikipedia for anything other that source references exactly because of this kind of poor-quality coverage.

          Surely an article about Apolyton should mention things like The List for Civ3 and Civ4, the CtP2 Source Code Project, Dan's exclusive RON preview from Brian Reynold's home, the fact that we host the only strategy game-based machinima, the fact that for a long time prior to its release we were the only site to take Stardock and GalCiv remotely seriously, some of the excellent mods, stories and strategy discussions that we host, the fact that several of our member are thanks to the connections they made on this site now Firaxis or BHG employees or otherwise employed in the gaming industry (not to mention the people who've been employed on a freelance basis or as pre-alpha testers), etc... none of which is currently mentioned.

          If the article is allowed to stay, it could certainly use a rewrite.
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          • #6
            The issue is to rewrite it. Some articles have been saved through rewrites, so perhaps those things should be mentioned.

            ..and the fact that the Civilization 4 website (I'm going to assume that Civilization 4 is notable?) links to us would seem to satisfy the third as well.
            The content is distributed via a site which is both well known and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster.
            The Civ4 site isn't independent of the creators.
            "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
            "Bill3000: The United Demesos? Boy, I was young and stupid back then.
            Jasonian22: Bill, you are STILL young and stupid."

            "is it normal to imaginne dartrh vader and myself in a tjhreee way with some hot chick? i'ts always been my fantasy" - Dis

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            • #7
              It (Apolyton, that is) is independent of the creators of Civ4, and independent of the creators of the various mods and stuff we produce (i.e. the modders don't own the site). Isn't that enough?

              But CFC's entry, and CFC itself, should be deleted
              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bill3000
                The Civ4 site isn't independent of the creators.
                Is MarkG a creator of Civ4 now?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


                  Is MarkG a creator of Civ4 now?
                  Feh, I misread it. Thinking about fansites, I thought it meant "creators of the game."

                  Regardless, improve the article! Improving an article can save it from being deleted.
                  "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
                  "Bill3000: The United Demesos? Boy, I was young and stupid back then.
                  Jasonian22: Bill, you are STILL young and stupid."

                  "is it normal to imaginne dartrh vader and myself in a tjhreee way with some hot chick? i'ts always been my fantasy" - Dis

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                  • #10
                    Well then, improve it, a rewrite would indeed be suitable .
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                    • #11
                      Can't you? I'm horrible at writing.
                      "Compromises are not always good things. If one guy wants to drill a five-inch hole in the bottom of your life boat, and the other person doesn't, a compromise of a two-inch hole is still stupid." - chegitz guevara
                      "Bill3000: The United Demesos? Boy, I was young and stupid back then.
                      Jasonian22: Bill, you are STILL young and stupid."

                      "is it normal to imaginne dartrh vader and myself in a tjhreee way with some hot chick? i'ts always been my fantasy" - Dis

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                      • #12
                        I don't think it would be very kosher if an article on an encyclopedia about a website would be written by the staff of that website... (as much as those sorts of practices are not out of line with what I would expect from wikipedia myself...)
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                        • #13
                          Hear that Mark and Dan? If you sack Locutus he will rewrite the article.

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                          • #14
                            Pretty much, it's what Locutus says. Wikipedia encourages people not to edit biographical articles about themselves. This isn't the case here, but it seems similar enough. On the other hand, admittedly, the staff members do have very sufficient information and ability to write it.
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                            I can kill you whenever I please... but not today. - The Cigarette Smoking Man

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                            • #15
                              As long as Dan or Markos don't write it, it's fine. So get to work
                              THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                              AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                              AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                              DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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