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  • Erm, my understanding was that the collector did nothing particularly different than he was expected to, or at least what other collectors also did. Nothing I've ever read or heard suggested the collector was blameworthy in any way here. It was entirely Braun and his legal time finding a loophole, nothing more.
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    • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
      Was he suspended? No. Then almost caught.

      He was lucky the collector was such a complete moron that he left MLB no option but to toss the test out. And if you totally **** up your job, by not delivering samples in the amount of time stated in the drug testing program you are supposed to be administering, I'm thinking "doing his job" is highly suspect.
      Snoopy is correct. MLB had a bad procedure. But the test result itself was never challenged by Braun.
      In his appeal, Braun didn't argue evidence of tampering and didn't dispute the science, but argued protocol had not been followed.
      And technically, Braun WAS suspended for the failed test. For 50 games. That 2012 suspension was merely overturned by an arbitration board on appeal before he served any of it. But make no mistake: Braun was caught; no "almost" about it.

      National League MVP Ryan Braun's 50-game suspension has been overturned by baseball arbitrator Shyam Das.
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      • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
        Why would I defend a moron like Braun. MLB came up with clear rules and after getting almost caught the first time decided to keep doing it? Dumbass.
        Because you love steroids in baseball.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • I got no problem with steroids or HGH; but when you got clear rules against it, and you violate 'em, you gotta do the time. If you are suspected and keep doing them, then you are idiotic if you think you won't get caught.
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          • So you DO have a problem with them, which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is trying to hedge your bet.
            Let me amend that comment. To most people, who are honest and take only one stance on a subject, it makes no sense.
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            • Are you drunk again?
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              • No, are you?


                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                I got no problem with steroids or HGH; but when you got clear rules against it, and you violate 'em, you gotta do the time. If you are suspected and keep doing them, then you are idiotic if you think you won't get caught.


                No one would have a problem with it if it wasn't illegal. Read your words. "No problems, except I do have a problem." Focus less on trying to always prove me wrong.
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                • Nice try, but you have massive reading comprehension problems.

                  Only you could turn I don't have problems with something but you have to deal with the consequences of your actions if its against the rules into what you are turning it into. What if I said I have no problems with cocaine use, but if you get caught you gotta do the time and you are idiotic if you are being tested at work but keep doing them? You would like say something dumb like "I have no problem, but I have a problem".

                  Maybe you should explain what problems I have with steroids and HGH since you seem so convinced I have one.
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                  • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                    I got no problem with steroids or HGH; but
                    Don't make me agree with Slowwhand. It hurts me.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • In more important news, it looks like Tim Hudson's career may be over
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                      • Who would've thought the most successful of the A's Moneyball pitchers would've been Hudson? He was supposed to be the boring one - the right handed Mark Buehrle, give or take. Zito was flashy, Mulder was the hot young kid... but Hudson had the best career of all of them.
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                        • FYI, this Slate.com article contains some solid history of Ryan Braun's high level of self-absorbed, clueless douchiness, including the totally unnecessary, post-exoneration attack on the sample collector in early 2012.
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                          • I very much appreciate Jeff Passan's comment:
                            That, too, is who Ryan Braun is. He is the guy who takes performance-enhancing drugs, gets caught, lies about it, wins and still feels it necessary to smear a completely innocent man who did his job exactly how protocol said he should. He is someone willing to lie to teammates, to fans, to everyone, building this tower of propaganda that Monday toppled all over him.
                            He is a cockroach. And on Monday, he went splat.


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                            • Big trade between White Sox, Red Sox & Tigers, and no mention of it here yet?
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                              • Apparently doesn't involve the Cubs .

                                Also, I don't think Peavy is going to be as good as the Red Sox think he is.
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