NFL Football - 2012 Season Thread

[Lord Avalon]

Re: boxing. It's not just the fights, it's the sparring, too. Sure, they can wear headgear, but they're still taking many blows to the head. The hard punches add up, even if they fall short of KO power.

[Al B. Sure!]

Re: boxing. It's not just the fights, it's the sparring, too. Sure, they can wear headgear, but they're still taking many blows to the head. The hard punches add up, even if they fall short of KO power.

Olympic boxers wear headgear. Prize fighters don't. That's another thing.

[Demonbinder]

Re: boxing. It's not just the fights, it's the sparring, too. Sure, they can wear headgear, but they're still taking many blows to the head. The hard punches add up, even if they fall short of KO power.

And in football it is usually the multiple number of hits not just one hit in particular.

[-Jrabbit]

I'll say one thing for the new CBA: it certainly has eased the annual pain of getting the early draft picks signed and into camp.

[Demonbinder]

Bears really haven't had a problem with that in last few years. Stein gets most of the guys signed before camp begins.

[-Jrabbit]

League-wide, the difference is huge.

[Demonbinder]

I hope the Bears make a run at Kellen Winslow.

[Al B. Sure!]

I hope the Bears make a run at Kellen Winslow.

For what? They want to use the tight end now?

[Donegeal]

Yep. No more Martz means the TE will be active.

[-Jrabbit]

Winslow is damaged goods. But yeah, they will clearly regret dumping Greg Olsen.

[Al B. Sure!]

Kellen Winslow was traded to the Seahawks. They now have a bunch of TE's.

[Demonbinder]

For a seventh round pick that could change to a sixth rounder. Interesting for a guy who despite a history of injuries still played in every game for last three years.

[Al B. Sure!]

For a seventh round pick that could change to a sixth rounder. Interesting for a guy who despite a history of injuries still played in every game for last three years.

I've always thought veterans are often undervalued when it comes to trades and overvalued in FA; contact values are often the reason for this but Winslow doesn't seem very expensive at an average of $4.43 million over the next 3 years. That's around what Greg Olsen will be getting and Olsen is no Kellen Winslow.

Production the last 3 years:

77/884/5TDs
66/730/5TDs
75/763/2TDs

I know now a days that's like middling production for a receiving TE but that's pretty damn solid. Funnily enough, Kellen Winslow is knocking on his dad's career numbers.

[Donegeal]

Winslow is damaged goods. But yeah, they will clearly regret dumping Greg Olsen.

I'm not sure where it is now, but back when they traded Olsen I complained because I was guessing (hoping) they were going to get rid of Martz after last season and we would be needing Olsen this year.

And Al, I'd rather have Olsen than Winslow. Not that we have either...

[Al B. Sure!]

Winslow is better than Olsen but is two years older. They're both so-so blockers but Winslow is a much better receiver. In Cleveland, he had game-changing ability that Olsen doesn't have in his dreams and he still outperforms Olsen by a wide margin. Olsen gets you 45/550 even in Chudzinski's TE-friendly offense, Winslow gets you 75/750 and the possibility to dominate defenses with his physical prowess.

I think you're really sleeping on how good K2 is, especially considering the Cleveland QB 'talent' that passed to him in his best days. He has his father's ability just in the modern era where that play isn't as impressive.