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[-Jrabbit]

I spent so much time doing my research to disprove his stuff... I'd come home from work, having to return to work in a few hours, and sacrifice sleep because I couldn't live with the thought that there was an idiot out there spewing this nonsense...

[H Tower]

How bout them Bears?

[SlowwHand]

You mean Mendenhall? Not going there.

AL!

Does Romo belong in top 100?
The vast majority of NFL.com experts polled say there is little doubt that Tony Romo is among the elite players in the National Football League.

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Quarterback Tony Romo is not the problem for the Dallas Cowboys, so says arguably the most popular Cowboy of all time, Hall of Famer Roger Staubach.

Staubach, speaking at the Pat Summerall Humble Beginnings Award luncheon this week, said there is no basis for the verbal attacks Romo has had to endure, according to The Dallas Morning News.

"I don't understand that," said Staubach, who led the Cowboys to two Super Bowl titles in the 1970s. "He is a fierce competitor. He works out. He's with his team during the season. He's one heck of a football player. I think he has been a leader. Leaders -- you mature as you get experience yourself at that position.

But the players like him. And look what he's done. He's accomplished a lot." More impressive than Romo's three Pro Bowl selections are his 39-22 record as a starter and his career quarterback rating of 95.5, which trails only those of Aaron Rodgers, Phillip Rivers and Steve Young. Romo's 64.1 completion percentage is eighth-best all time.

"He hasn't been the problem," Staubach said. "He's done unbelievable. He's right at the top of the NFL as far as a quarterback -- as far as his statistics and the things he does. He moves around the pocket. He makes great plays.

"Our quarterback is not our problem in Dallas. We've got a Super Bowl quarterback.

"I really believe that the league is so close in parity ... and Dallas is the kind of team with Jason (Garrett) that they can be right there in the thick of it
this year ... And they have the quarterback that can do it."

In over four seasons as the Cowboys' starter, Romo has started 61 games. He has passed for 16,650 yards, 118 touchdowns and 62 interceptions, while earning a
95.5 passer rating

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81fe407b/article/romo-isnt-the-problem-for-cowboys-staubach-says?module=HP_headlines

[Al B. Sure!]

You mean Mendenhall? Not going there.

AL!



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...e=HP_headlines

If you actually paid any attention to what I ever said, Sloww, instead of just imposing your own assumptions, you would know that I like Tony Romo as a player. I'm really partial to the guys who were undrafted and unheralded and struggled and got the opportunity to shine... I'm partial to guys like Kurt Warner, Trent Green, Jeff Garcia, etc.

Romo is also the type of QB that I like and the type that I play with in Madden... scrambling QB's who are incredibly accurate, even if they can't throw it 70 yards downfield.

Romo's stats are exemplary. I think they may be a bit inflated from the fact that he has been always blessed with incredible receiver talent, but he's a real deal QB.


However, he is a choke artist. Okay, he finally won a playoff game against the Eagles two years back but he did nothing with it... he's a guy who falls apart under pressure. That is bad. Really bad. Compare him to a Mark Sanchez (a fellow Mexican-American ), and while the Sanchize isn't in the same statistical ballpark yet, he performs under pressure in ways that Romo apparently can not.

He also may be on verge of getting the injury-prone label, especially if we give it to Vick who has missed about the same number of games as Romo has.


Besides, the other big knock on Romo and the real reason why I HAVE to criticize him... he has a star on his helmet


(Romo would probably be one of my favorite players if he played for any other team)

[SlowwHand]

I guess the endless "Tony Homo" remarks kind of obscured your other thoughts when I saw them.

[Al B. Sure!]

I guess the endless "Tony Homo" remarks kind of obscured your other thoughts when I saw them.

This post presented by Choke, the official soft drink of Tony Homo and the Cowgirls

[sanabas]

However, he is a choke artist. Okay, he finally won a playoff game against the Eagles two years back but he did nothing with it... he's a guy who falls apart under pressure. That is bad. Really bad. Compare him to a Mark Sanchez (a fellow Mexican-American ), and while the Sanchize isn't in the same statistical ballpark yet, he performs under pressure in ways that Romo apparently can not.

Peyton Manning is a choke artist who repeatedly falls apart under pressure, yet he keeps getting mentioned as one of the best, if not the best, player in the league by all sorts of sources.

[Al B. Sure!]

Peyton Manning is a choke artist who repeatedly falls apart under pressure, yet he keeps getting mentioned as one of the best, if not the best, player in the league by all sorts of sources.

He won a Super Bowl. Tony Romo has won one playoff game.

Peyton Manning has also averaged 4200+ yards and 30+ TDs over his lengthy ironman career. Tony Romo has put up very good but not quite as great numbers but hasn't been around nearly as long.

[SlowwHand]

What did Manning do in his first 3 years? He may have set the world on fire. I haven't looked, but I doubt it. I know for damn sure he didn't have to wait and prove himself as an undrafted free agent, you ****ing dumb ass.

[MRT144]

What did Manning do in his first 3 years? He may have set the world on fire. I haven't looked, but I doubt it. I know for damn sure he didn't have to wait and prove himself as an undrafted free agent, you ****ing dumb ass.

First year was so-so, 2nd and 3rd year he was playing like a boss.

[sanabas]

He won a Super Bowl. Tony Romo has won one playoff game.

Peyton Manning has also averaged 4200+ yards and 30+ TDs over his lengthy ironman career. Tony Romo has put up very good but not quite as great numbers but hasn't been around nearly as long.

I'm not saying Romo is better than Manning. I'm simply pointing out that the fact Manning is a choker who goes to crap in the playoffs doesn't preclude him from getting judged purely on his regular season numbers and what he can do when running the score up against ordinary teams. So why should Romo be any different?

Manning has been responsible for winning just one playoff game. He was part of a superbowl winning team, but it was his two RBs that won that game, not him. Manning's numbers in the playoffs are significantly worse than the regular season. His numbers in close playoff games, the ones where you expect a great QB to step up and win the game for his team, are worse again, and worse than most other big name QBs. From memory, they're comparable to Mcnabb's, a guy labelled a serial choker.

[-Jrabbit]

You're just hatin'.
Or trolling.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm not saying Romo is better than Manning. I'm simply pointing out that the fact Manning is a choker who goes to crap in the playoffs doesn't preclude him from getting judged purely on his regular season numbers and what he can do when running the score up against ordinary teams. So why should Romo be any different?

Manning has been responsible for winning just one playoff game. He was part of a superbowl winning team, but it was his two RBs that won that game, not him. Manning's numbers in the playoffs are significantly worse than the regular season. His numbers in close playoff games, the ones where you expect a great QB to step up and win the game for his team, are worse again, and worse than most other big name QBs. From memory, they're comparable to Mcnabb's, a guy labelled a serial choker.

Not true.

Let's compare career regular season vs. playoffs:
Yards per game: 263.6 vs. 283.6
Attempts per game: 34.66 vs. 37.78
Completion %: 64.9% vs 63.1%
Yards per attempt: 7.60 vs 7.51
QB rating: 94.9 vs 88.4
TD %: 5.5% vs. 4.0%
INT %: 2.7% vs. 2.6%

Peyton Manning is about the same at most statistical categories during the playoffs which is good considering the higher level of competition in the playoffs. His TD per attempt % is down so he's less likely to throw TD passes in the playoffs than in the regular season, but he averages a full 20 yards more per game in the playoffs versus the regular season, since he throws more in the playoffs than in the regular season.

And Peyton Manning has 9 playoff wins. What do you mean he's only responsible for winning just one playoff game?

Which one?
His 22 for 26 377 yard 5 TD performance against Denver in 2003? (literally a perfect game... 158.3 QB rating)
His 304 yards 3 TDs the next week against KC?
Maybe his 458 yard 4 TD 1 Rush TD game against Denver again the next year?
His 377 yard 3 TD game against the Jets two years ago in the AFC Championship?

Those numbers are insane! And they're Peyton Manning in the playoffs!

[Al B. Sure!]

If you want to see a choker, let's look at the same numbers for Romo!

Let's compare career regular season starts vs. playoffs:
Yards per game: 272.9 vs. 208.0 (!!!!!)
Attempts per game: 33.93 vs. 33.75
Completion %: 64.1% vs. 59.3% (!!!)
Yards per attempt: 8.0 vs. 6.16 (!!!!!)
QB rating: 95.5 vs. 80.8 (!!!!)
TD %: 5.7% vs. 2.9% (!!!!)
INT %: 3% vs. 1.4%

Romo takes far more than a tumble during the playoffs! He falls off a god damned cliff!

At least he's less likely to throw an INT in the playoffs than in the regular season, though.

[sanabas]

Not true.

Very true. I did these numbers 2 years ago, so they're not 100% current, but all he's done since then is crash out of two more playoff series when he couldn't get his team over the line. And he was viewed no differently 2 years ago to what he is now. Supposedly the best player in the league, supposedly one of the greatest QBs ever.

First number is regular season rating, second number is post-season rating.

Manning: 94.7/84.9
Warner: 93.8/92.6
Brady: 92.9/88.0
McNabb: 85.9/80.1
Favre: 85.4/85.2
Delhomme: 85.1/95.0
Roethlisbeger: 89.4/85.1
Hasselbeck: 84.5/79.9
Aikman: 81.6/89.0
Moon: 80.9/84.5
Testaverde 75.0/81.2

For playoff games with margins of 15 points or less:

P. Manning 5-6 record, 13 TD/13 INT, 79.0 QB rating, 39.4 att/game
E. Manning 4-1 record, 8 TD/2 INT, 93.9 QB rating, 29.2 att/g
K. Warner 5-2 record, 15 TD/10 INT, 92.8 QB rating, 38.6 att/g
T. Brady 11-3 record, 20 TD/12 INT, 85.4 QB rating, 36.2 att/g
J. Montana 8-5 record, 22 TD/14 INT, 88.6 QB rating, 35.2 att/g
B. Favre 8-7 record, 27 TD/18 INT, 87.7 QB rating, 33.2 att/g
J. Delhomme 3-1 record, 8 TD/2 INT, 121.3 QB rating, 26.5 att/g
D. McNabb 5-4 record, 13 TD/10 INT, 79.8 QB rating, 35.6 att/g

Manning is significantly worse than any of the other QBs, even though he gets the most chances to be the matchwinner he's meant to be. His completion %, his TD/INT ratio, his TD/game ratio, his QB rating, his W-L record, all are the worst on the list. He has the biggest dropoff from the regular season to the playoffs. He has the biggest dropoff from the regular season to the tight playoff games, dropping more than 15 points of QB rating.

Here's a comparison for you:

Peyton Manning in close playoff games: 258/433, 3098 yards, 13 TD/13 INT, 79.0 rating.

Joe Flacco in his rookie season: 257/428, 2971 yards, 14 TD/12 INT, 80.3 rating.

One's meant to be a once in a decade type of QB, all round legend and matchwinner.

One's a composed rookie who hasn't thrown games away, and produced numbers at the edge of the top 20 for the season, while the actual matchwinning MVP calibre players like Ed Reed have worked their magic.

Yet their numbers are almost identical.

Peyton Manning under pressure in the playoffs produces like Joe Flacco as a rooke.