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  • Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
    What is it, like 50-60 million guaranteed? I would grab the money (depending on what happens with the CBA) now.

    But my 20-year-old self might see Luck's POV.
    You can't put a price on going to furd and being top dog there. And the relative utility of millions of dollars isn't that different.
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    • Luck may also see the mess Carolina is in right now and decide he wants no piece of that (or at least delay it for a year).
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      • So apparently Miami is going to keep Sparano, after reportedly offering Harbaugh the biggest coaching contract in history?

        HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?!
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        • Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
          You can't put a price on going to furd and being top dog there. And the relative utility of millions of dollars isn't that different.
          Actually, putting a price on it is exactly what's under discussion. I suspect if someone offered my $60 million -- guaranteed -- to skip that last couple years of college, I would have found it pretty persuasive.
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          • Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
            Actually, putting a price on it is exactly what's under discussion. I suspect if someone offered my $60 million -- guaranteed -- to skip that last couple years of college, I would have found it pretty persuasive.
            Sorry I was drunk.
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            • You say shallow; I say practical. Hey, I'm not slammin' the kid for sticking around. Good on him. Hope he stays healthy.

              But "relative utility" of $60million will last a lot longer than that extra year on campus.
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              • Actually, he could opt to stay 2 more years.
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                • Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
                  So apparently Miami is going to keep Sparano, after reportedly offering Harbaugh the biggest coaching contract in history?
                  HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?!
                  Clearly it was a situation where they would rather keep Sparano if they couldn't get Harbaugh.

                  Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                  Actually, putting a price on it is exactly what's under discussion. I suspect if someone offered my $60 million -- guaranteed -- to skip that last couple years of college, I would have found it pretty persuasive.
                  I had heard (or read) that there was going to be a rookie payscale in place before the draft this year. Not certain about the source though.
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                  • The NFL CBA is the wildcard here. A lot of guys went pro last year because of the possible salary cap/rookie pay scale. Any firm rookie payscale will certainly hurt the top few picks the most. It's my guess that this plays a major role in Luck's decision.

                    My prediction/guess is that the current CBA will be extended at the 11th hour, since virtually no pro sports leagues seem to be able to negotiate agreements within normal timeframes.
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                    • Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
                      So apparently Miami is going to keep Sparano, after reportedly offering Harbaugh the biggest coaching contract in history?

                      HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY?!
                      I don't see what's so crazy at all about this. Sparano was in that weird limbo where the Dolphins were reaching out to guys like Harbaugh or Cowher without having actually fired Sparano. Sucks to be in that position for Sparano but the Dolphins were basically like if we can get an upgrade, we're doing it, if not, we'll keep Sparano. Since they couldn't get Harbaugh despite offering him a huge contract, they're sticking with the incumbent.

                      What will be interesting is if Sparano will be affected at all by this. Players don't like being put on the trading block then taken off and asked to report. No one wants to be the Dead Man Walking.
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                      • Miami will be starting the 2011 season with a lame duck coach. That IS crazy.
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                        • Also, I've read that Carolina has 28 unsigned players and the owner has come out and stated he won't sign any Free Agents until the labor situation is resolved. So that could really be a horrid situation to step into.
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                          • Good news for the Colts!



                            Colts Tap Quarterback Peyton Manning To Start Playoff Game
                            January 7, 2011 |

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                            • And Harbaugh is to the 49ers! 5 years at $25mil.

                              Jim Harbaugh has agreed to a five-year, $25 million contract to become the San Francisco 49ers' head coach Friday, reports ESPN's Adam Schefter.
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                              • I was just looking at some of the AFC Champion odds and I'm puzzled by something:

                                Baltimore Ravens +800
                                Indianapolis Colts +1000
                                Kansas City Chiefs +1500
                                New England Patriots -160
                                New York Jets +1000
                                Pittsburgh Steelers +275

                                I don't gamble online but doesn't it work like +800 means a successful $100 bet nets you $800?

                                If so, what the heck? If you put $100 on each of the Colts, Ravens, Jets, and Chiefs, your net gain/loss profile would look like this depending on which team finally wins the AFC:

                                Pats win: -400 (lose your $400 wager)
                                Steelers: -400
                                Ravens: +500 (+800- $300 lost wager)
                                Colts: +700
                                Jets: +700
                                Chiefs: +1200

                                That seems to indicate to me that the bookkeepers believe that there is a 55% chance the AFC champ will be either PIT or NE and another 45% that it will be any of the other 4 playoff teams.

                                If the actual probability of PIT or NE winning the AFC is lower than 55%, then that would be a steal of a wager.

                                Are the Pats or Steelers that likely to win the AFC?

                                I looked at the NFC and you can't do the same put $100 on 4/6 team strategy; best case scenario there (unless you bet on the Seahawks and they win), you'll net ~0 but are exposing yourself to possible losses for nothing.

                                I realize that assuming a 50% chance of any team winning any given game, then those wildcard round four teams would only have a 12.5% chance each of winning the AFC whereas the Pats and Steelers have 25% chance by virtue of playing one less game so factor in a home field advantage or whatever else and it makes sense that the Pats or Steelers would have a combined 55% chance of taking the AFC but why is that likelihood not being factored into the NFC lines? Is it especially likely the Pats or Steelers are heading to the SB?
                                Last edited by Al B. Sure!; January 8, 2011, 06:54.
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