AHL- Apolyton Hockey League III-- Olympic edition

[Asher]

I don't think that's a bad trade at all.

Ponikarovsky is a pending UFA. Obviously the market for him wasn't afire given his performance this year and cap hit. It's either lose him for nothing in the near future or get something with any sliver of potential.

[notyoueither]

So an established forward for a mid to low end prospect is a good trade?

How is getting a second for an inconsistent defenseman who has failed to establish himself as a reliable top four and who is effectively UFA a bad trade then?

[Asher]

So an established forward for a mid to low end prospect is a good trade?

He's only under contract another couple months, and he's clearly not going to get any better. His value is near zero.

How is getting a second for an inconsistent defenseman who has failed to establish himself as a reliable top four and who is effectively UFA a bad trade then?

Because he has potential (see tonight's game) and is under contract for longer.

[notyoueither]

He's only under contract another couple months, and he's clearly not going to get any better. His value is near zero.


Because he has potential (see tonight's game) and is under contract for longer.

I saw tonights game. Grebeshkov was also responsible for two goals against (not just on the ice, but made the bad plays). Plays like those would be a large part of why he is not an Oiler anymore.

Grebs is under contract til the end of this season. He will then need to be qualified for $3.15 MM to retain his rights for the final year of his RFA status. He will have the choice of accepting the qualifying offer or signing in the KHL. If he signs for the $3.15 MM for one year, he will be UFA after that.

From what he has shown, he can handle 5-6 minutes and PP. How many teams want to spend $3+ MM for a 5-6 specialist who has been a defensive liability for large parts of his career?

Grebeshkov is effectively UFA now.

Ponikarovsky is a twenty goal scorer and has been a plus player on some truely horrid Leafs teams. The Pens are desperate for wingers to go with their strength down the middle. Caputi is a winger. This is his second pro season. Why do you think the Pens are willing to deal futures for a 20 goal scoring winger for twenty games plus playoffs?

This game is fun. We play the same game every time the Oilers make a trade that I can recall. Whatever the Oilers do, it is the WORST MOVE EVAR! according to Asher. Like when the Oilers traded MA Bergeron to the Islanders to get Denis Grebeshkov.

Looking forward to many more tomorrow and over the summer.

[notyoueither]

To be clear. Denis Grebeshkov is, or should be, worth more than the second Tambellini got for him.

The problem with getting full value for the player is that he has been a bad player on a godaweful team for sixty or so games now. That is compounded by the problems getting him signed to a reasonable contract and the possibility of him going to the KHL for next year, which largely remove any added value a young RFA would normally have.

He is, or could be, a good player. He is better than his record this season. He is better than the Oilers were able to get for him. Unfortunately, he is going to have to prove that in another uniform.

[Asher]

Trading to the Islanders to get Grebeshkov was terrible, I think that's pretty established.

Now you've traded MA Bergeron for a 2nd round pick. No other way to describe that other than a series of bad deals.

[Asher]

To be clear. Denis Grebeshkov is, or should be, worth more than the second Tambellini got for him.

The problem with getting full value for the player is that he has been a bad player on a godaweful team for sixty or so games now. That is compounded by the problems getting him signed to a reasonable contract and the possibility of him going to the KHL for next year, which largely remove any added value a young RFA would normally have.

He is, or could be, a good player. He is better than his record this season. He is better than the Oilers were able to get for him. Unfortunately, he is going to have to prove that in another uniform.

And just so I'm clear, the Grebeshkov for a 2nd isn't the worst deal ever. And it's not just me thinking it's a bad deal. It's the general consensus of the Oiler fans I know (truly, you're the only one I've heard from who thinks otherwise).

[notyoueither]

Trading to the Islanders to get Grebeshkov was terrible, I think that's pretty established.

Now you've traded MA Bergeron for a 2nd round pick. No other way to describe that other than a series of bad deals.

Nothing of the sort has been established.

MA Bergeron was signed for nothing. He was a walk-on UFA. After the Oilers he bounced around a couple of teams and was often a healthy scratch. As a twenty-nine yo he could not find a team to play for this year until into the season and an injury to an established roster player, and he signed for near league minimum. In other words, not much value.

MAB was sent with a third to NYI for Denis Grebeshkov.

Now Denis Grebeshkov has been turned into a second. It's low return for the player, but not outrageous given the circumstances which I have explained, at length. However, by all means please continue your stroll through the Beniverse. What colour is the sky in there?

[Asher]

MAB is a 0.55 point per game defenseman right now. Yeah, he's currently injured, but so what?

I just never liked the trade there, and I still don't. You've traded a third round and Marc-Andre Bergeron for a 2nd rounder, when you ignore all of the messy and now irrelevant middle parts. I don't consider that a good return.

This has nothing to do with the Beniverse and it's a perfectly reasonable take on the matter. Your hostility to my opinion says more than you want to say, I think.

Lest you think I'm just being a homer I think Sutter has made far worse trades (Ference + Kobasew for Stuart + Primeau being the most egregious coming to mind).

[notyoueither]

And just so I'm clear, the Grebeshkov for a 2nd isn't the worst deal ever. And it's not just me thinking it's a bad deal. It's the general consensus of the Oiler fans I know (truly, you're the only one I've heard from who thinks otherwise).

You should read more widely.

The zeitgeist on Lowetide ATM is that Tambellini is incompetent. I am not surprised that his class discussion went that way.

[notyoueither]

MAB is a 0.55 point per game defenseman right now. Yeah, he's currently injured, but so what?

I just never liked the trade there, and I still don't. You've traded a third round and Marc-Andre Bergeron for a 2nd rounder, when you ignore all of the messy and now irrelevant middle parts. I don't consider that a good return.

This has nothing to do with the Beniverse and it's a perfectly reasonable take on the matter. Your hostility to my opinion says more than you want to say, I think.

Lest you think I'm just being a homer I think Sutter has made far worse trades (Ference + Kobasew for Stuart + Primeau being the most egregious coming to mind).

MAB couldn't get a contract over the summer, and signed at league minimum when injury opened a spot for him. How much value does that player have?

At the time you railed against that trade of he and a third for Grebs. You were critical of trading for Roloson as well, IIRC.

I have never seen you say 'good move' for anything Oiler related.

I admit, the occassions to be positive have not been plentiful, however that does not get you off the hook for being off in la-la land (or the Beniverse) and being hyper-critical when the Oilers have done good things.

In short, your opinion of all things Oiler has not much more value than Ben's about all things Flame or Iginla.

[Asher]

I'll just say this. I've been critical of virtually every trade the Oilers have made over the past three years. And look, every year they got worse. Now they can't get any worse.

I don't think I need to defend myself there.

And yes, Tambellini is grossly incompetent. That really should be obvious at this point. Kevin Lowe was also incompetent.

I also think you're being melodramatic. I'm not being hypercritical. For instance, I just said I thought the Grebeshkov trade was terrible. You interpreted that as me saying it was the "WORST MOVE EVAR". The Oilers simply aren't making smart moves, they aren't making smart trades, and it's not at all surprising they're at the bottom of the league...with a bullet.

You can only defend the clowns running the show so much. It wasn't too long ago they were at the SCF. You have to be amazingly incompetent to tank a team that quickly.

[Guynemer]

The Western Conference playoff race is just stone nuts. So many traditional powers fighting it out for the last spot: Detroit, Calgary, Anaheim, Dallas. Hard to believe that probably only one (if any!) of those teams will be playing playoff hockey this year. Maybe two, if the Preds stumble.

[Kontiki]

Pretty meh trade deadline day so far.

[Asher]

Phoenix got Wolski for Mueller and Porter...what a deal for Phx.