AHL- Apolyton Hockey League 07/08: Preseason

[Flubber]

1.1 Asher: Sidney Crosby - C (PIT)
1.2 Sparrowhawk: Roberto Luongo - G (VAN)
1.3 mrboo123: Martin Brodeur - G (NJ)
1.4 notyoueither: Joe Thornton - C (SJ)
1.5 Imran Siddiqui: Miikka Kiprusoff - G (CAL)
1.6 Kontiki: Dany Heatley - RW (OTT)
1.7 snoopy369: Marian Hossa - RW (ATL)
1.8 Jonny: Jaromir Jagr - RW (NYR)
1.9 Flubber: Vincent Lecavalier - C (TB)
1.10 Ninot: Alexander Ovechkin - LW (WAS)
1.11 Guynemer: Jarome Iginla - RW (CAL)
1.12 Tingkai: Joe Sakic - C (COL)

2.1 Tingkai: Niklas Backstrom - G (MIN)
2.2 Guynemer: Olli Jokinen - C (FLA)
2.3 Ninot: Jean-Sebastien Giguere - G (ANA)
2.4 Flubber:Evgeni Nabokov - G (SJ )
2.5 Jonny: Marty Turco - G (DAL)
2.6 snoopy369: Dominic Hasek - G (DET)
2.7 Kontiki: Henrik Lundqvist - G (NYR)
2.8 Imran Siddiqui: Evgeni Malkin - LW (PIT)
2.9 notyoueither: Marian Gaborik- RW (MIN)
2.10 mrboo123: Jason Spezza - C (OTT)
2.11 Sparrowhawk: Pavel Datsyuk - C (DET)
2.12 Asher: Marc-Andre Fleury - G (PIT)

3.1 Asher: Martin St. Louis - RW (TB)
3.2 Sparrowhawk: Jonathan Cheechoo - RW (SJ)
3.3 mrboo123: Simon Gagne - LW (PHI)
3.4 notyoueither: Ilya Kovalchuk - LW (ATL)
3.5 Imran Siddiqui: Daniel Alfredsson - RW (OTT)
3.6 Kontiki: Henrik Zetterberg - LW (DET)
3.7 snoopy369: Nikolas Lidstrom - D (DET)
3.8 Jonny: Daniel Sedin - LW (VAN)
3.9 Flubber: Ray Emery - G (OTT)
3.10 Ninot: Ryan Miller - G (BUF)
3.11 Guynemer: Thomas Vanek - LW (BUF)
3.12 Tingkai: Marc Savard - C (BOS)

4.1 Tingkai: Milan Michalek - RW (SJ)
4.2 Guynemer: Rick DiPietro - G (NYI)
4.3 Ninot: Justin Williams - RW (CAR)
4.4 Flubber: Daniel Briere- C (PHI)
4.5 Jonny: Patrick Marleau - C (SJ)
4.6 snoopy369: Tomas Vokoun - G (FLA)
4.7 Kontiki: Eric Staal - C (CAR)
4.8 Imran Siddiqui: Kari Lehtonen - G (ATL)
4.9 notyoueither: Chris Pronger- D (ANH)
4.10 mrboo123: Henrik Sedin - C (VAN)
4.11 Sparrowhawk: Milan Hejduk - RW (COL)
4.12 Asher: Chris Mason - G (NSH)

5.1 Asher: Alexander Semin - LW (WAS)
5.2 Sparrowhawk: Kristian Huselius - LW (CGY)
5.3 mrboo123: Ryan Smyth - LW (COL)
5.4 notyoueither: Maxim Afinogenov - RW (BUF)
5.5 Imran Siddiqui: Andy McDonald - C (ANH)
5.6 Kontiki: Martin Biron - G (PHI)
5.7 snoopy369: Ryan Whitney - D (PIT)
5.8 Jonny: Dion Phaneuf - D (CAL)
5.9 Flubber: Alex Tanguay - LW (CAL)
5.10 Ninot: Michael Cammaleri - C (LA)
5.11 Guynemer: Sergei Gonchar - D (PIT)
5.12 Tingkai: Tomas Kaberle - D (TOR)

6.1 Tingkai: Dan Boyle - D (TB)
6.2 Guynemer: Slava Kozlov - LW (ATL)
6.3 Ninot: Michael Nylander - C (WAS)
6.4 Flubber: Andrew Brunette -LW (Col)
6.5 Jonny:
6.6 snoopy369:
6.7 Kontiki:
6.8 Imran Siddiqui:
6.9 notyoueither:
6.10 mrboo123:
6.11 Sparrowhawk:
6.12 Asher:

Word is that he has started the seaon on RIGHT wing with Sakic and Ryan Smyth-- Hopefully thats productive and gives me some lineup flexiblity if he gets designated as a right winger as well.

I was surprised he lasted this long with his 83 points. I know that was his best year and he is older but on that line with an up and coming team -- I have high hopes

[snoopy369]

Grr, was hoping he'd be available for me to take

[Tingkai]

Yes, you certainly are in a position to tell us how to win, given your regular season finish last year, was it seventh or eight spot before the "playoffs".

As or Phaneuf, his plus/minus is not significantly better. A difference of seven of the year isn't going to change much. He's averaged 50 points over the past two years. Compared to +60 average for Kaberle, so no, Phaneuf would not be a better pick.

And of course, there are a lot of other d-men who can match Phaneuf or a better, including the ones already taken.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Yes, you certainly are in a position to tell us how to win, given your regular season finish last year, was it seventh or eight spot before the "playoffs".

Hey, it's not my fault that you couldn't deliver when it mattered. It's a product of your environment in Toronto.

Compared to +60 average for Kaberle, so no, Phaneuf would not be a better pick.

Such simple logic that would be spot-on if we were a league only concerned with overall points rather than category wins.

And o course, there are a lot of other d-men who can match Phaneuf or a better.

That are available still? Depends if you value consistency and multi-dimensional or not.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Asher
Yes, but less goals and less +/-.

Kaberle's a bit one-dimensional. On a team stacked with assists (eg, Savard, Sakic), going for more assists over other stats is a bit odd.

All of the projections I've seen have ranked Phaneuf over Kaberle for d-men.

TSN has Phaneuf at #5, McCabe at #6, and Kaberle at #10.

You may be right about the assists thing, but remember that most fantasy rankings take into consideration things like PiMs, since most pools use those stats. TSN is also has Phaneuf with 14 less points and pretty close on +/- (+2 vs +8 for Phaneuf - over the course of a season, that's pretty negligible).

[Jonny]

1.1 Asher: Sidney Crosby - C (PIT)
1.2 Sparrowhawk: Roberto Luongo - G (VAN)
1.3 mrboo123: Martin Brodeur - G (NJ)
1.4 notyoueither: Joe Thornton - C (SJ)
1.5 Imran Siddiqui: Miikka Kiprusoff - G (CAL)
1.6 Kontiki: Dany Heatley - RW (OTT)
1.7 snoopy369: Marian Hossa - RW (ATL)
1.8 Jonny: Jaromir Jagr - RW (NYR)
1.9 Flubber: Vincent Lecavalier - C (TB)
1.10 Ninot: Alexander Ovechkin - LW (WAS)
1.11 Guynemer: Jarome Iginla - RW (CAL)
1.12 Tingkai: Joe Sakic - C (COL)

2.1 Tingkai: Niklas Backstrom - G (MIN)
2.2 Guynemer: Olli Jokinen - C (FLA)
2.3 Ninot: Jean-Sebastien Giguere - G (ANA)
2.4 Flubber:Evgeni Nabokov - G (SJ )
2.5 Jonny: Marty Turco - G (DAL)
2.6 snoopy369: Dominic Hasek - G (DET)
2.7 Kontiki: Henrik Lundqvist - G (NYR)
2.8 Imran Siddiqui: Evgeni Malkin - LW (PIT)
2.9 notyoueither: Marian Gaborik- RW (MIN)
2.10 mrboo123: Jason Spezza - C (OTT)
2.11 Sparrowhawk: Pavel Datsyuk - C (DET)
2.12 Asher: Marc-Andre Fleury - G (PIT)

3.1 Asher: Martin St. Louis - RW (TB)
3.2 Sparrowhawk: Jonathan Cheechoo - RW (SJ)
3.3 mrboo123: Simon Gagne - LW (PHI)
3.4 notyoueither: Ilya Kovalchuk - LW (ATL)
3.5 Imran Siddiqui: Daniel Alfredsson - RW (OTT)
3.6 Kontiki: Henrik Zetterberg - LW (DET)
3.7 snoopy369: Nikolas Lidstrom - D (DET)
3.8 Jonny: Daniel Sedin - LW (VAN)
3.9 Flubber: Ray Emery - G (OTT)
3.10 Ninot: Ryan Miller - G (BUF)
3.11 Guynemer: Thomas Vanek - LW (BUF)
3.12 Tingkai: Marc Savard - C (BOS)

4.1 Tingkai: Milan Michalek - RW (SJ)
4.2 Guynemer: Rick DiPietro - G (NYI)
4.3 Ninot: Justin Williams - RW (CAR)
4.4 Flubber: Daniel Briere- C (PHI)
4.5 Jonny: Patrick Marleau - C (SJ)
4.6 snoopy369: Tomas Vokoun - G (FLA)
4.7 Kontiki: Eric Staal - C (CAR)
4.8 Imran Siddiqui: Kari Lehtonen - G (ATL)
4.9 notyoueither: Chris Pronger- D (ANH)
4.10 mrboo123: Henrik Sedin - C (VAN)
4.11 Sparrowhawk: Milan Hejduk - RW (COL)
4.12 Asher: Chris Mason - G (NSH)

5.1 Asher: Alexander Semin - LW (WAS)
5.2 Sparrowhawk: Kristian Huselius - LW (CGY)
5.3 mrboo123: Ryan Smyth - LW (COL)
5.4 notyoueither: Maxim Afinogenov - RW (BUF)
5.5 Imran Siddiqui: Andy McDonald - C (ANH)
5.6 Kontiki: Martin Biron - G (PHI)
5.7 snoopy369: Ryan Whitney - D (PIT)
5.8 Jonny: Dion Phaneuf - D (CAL)
5.9 Flubber: Alex Tanguay - LW (CAL)
5.10 Ninot: Michael Cammaleri - C (LA)
5.11 Guynemer: Sergei Gonchar - D (PIT)
5.12 Tingkai: Tomas Kaberle - D (TOR)

6.1 Tingkai: Dan Boyle - D (TB)
6.2 Guynemer: Slava Kozlov - LW (ATL)
6.3 Ninot: Michael Nylander - C (WAS)
6.4 Flubber: Andrew Brunette -LW (Col)
6.5 Jonny: Keith Tkachuk - LW (STL)
6.6 snoopy369:
6.7 Kontiki:
6.8 Imran Siddiqui:
6.9 notyoueither:
6.10 mrboo123:
6.11 Sparrowhawk:
6.12 Asher:

[Ninot]

I was very close to drafting Phaneuf, but went for a forward instead

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Such simple logic that would be spot-on if we were a league only concerned with overall points rather than category wins.

Do you ever read what people write?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Ninot
I was very close to drafting Phaneuf, but went for a forward instead

In the fourth round?

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ninot
I was very close to drafting Phaneuf, but went for a forward instead

You were going to draft Phaneuf with your 4th pick? Yikes.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Do you ever read what people write?

Regardless of what you write, overall points are not as important as winning as many categories as possible.

And no, I very often ignore what you write. I have a quota on how much I can take a day, my sides hurt...

[Tingkai]

whatever, Asher, whatever

[Asher]

Originally posted by Kontiki


You were going to draft Phaneuf with your 4th pick? Yikes.

Personally, I avoided him this year due to pairing uncertainty.

I also wrote Yahoo begging them to add Hits as a stat for next year. That's the best part of the TSN salary pools.

Which reminds me, Tingkai -- join our TSN Salary Cap league. I sooo wanna kick your ass there.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Tingkai


As or Phaneuf, his plus/minus is not significantly better. A difference of seven of the year isn't going to change much. He's averaged 50 points over the past two years. Compared to +60 average for Kaberle, so no, Phaneuf would not be a better pick.

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I don't know . . . when a guy has had two years in the league as a d-man it is often expected that they will get better. You can't just take a guys points and leave it at that. Phaneuf is the number one PP guy , a third year player and on a team with some decent firepower up front

[Asher]

Originally posted by Flubber
I don't know . . . when a guy has had two years in the league as a d-man it is often expected that they will get better. You can't just take a guys points and leave it at that. Phaneuf is the number one PP guy , a third year player and on a team with some decent firepower up front

Don't bother -- he'll reply with some schtick about how Calgary's without a real captain, how Keenan will crush all the players on the team, and how Calgary's offense is overrated.