Rank Today's Hockey Goaltenders, Top 5

[Tingkai]

You've set yourself up so easily to get dismissed with comments like this. Take 2-3 minutes to look at the game logs and educate yourself.

From 2005-06

Kippersoft:
Oct. 9 7.50 0.861
Oct 10 7.01 .829
Oct. 13 2.81 .864

Yup, really bouncing back there eh.

Dec. 19 5.04 .844
Dec. 21 4.03 .765
Dec. 23 4.65 .865

And

Mar 12 3.00 .880
Mar 13 3.00 .897
Mar 16 2.86 .893

Or how about this season:

Dec. 26 3.00 .893
Dec. 27 5.74 .750
Dec. 29 4.00 .889

Do notice the trend. Do notice how he doesn't bounce back, but instead goes on three game slumps.

The problem with you is even if you watch the game, you don't seem to understand what is happening. Instead, you just repeat what the commentators say. You can't see the whole picture.

And when you're proven wrong, you routinely claim people are saying or doing things that they are not. You claim I don't watch hockey even though you have no idea about how much hockey I watch. You claim that I think McCabe should win the Norris, when I have never said that. You claim that I am a Leafs homer, in a thread where I have championed goalies from other teams, unlike you. You claim that I said Kippersoft was a flash in the pan when I never said that.

Enough with the bullsh!t

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Why the hell is a guy from Hong Kong trying to lecture a Canadian on hockey?

And yet another example of your brilliant stupidity.

You've been around Poly long enough to know that I'm a Canadian, and Asher lives in Toronto. If you read these hockey theads on a regular basis you would know that not only am I a hockey fan, I also play hockey.

And why are you injecting your idiocy in a thread about a sport of which are ignorant.

Now if you don't have any more stupid comments to make, why don't you leave this thread to the people who know hockey.

[Tingkai]

Anyways, I've got to go to a poker game. With the communication problems in Asia caused by that quake off Taiwan, I'll be offline for a couple of days. I can only access the Internet these day at work through an intranet line that links to the Internet through Paris.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
You've set yourself up so easily to get dismissed with comments like this. Take 2-3 minutes to look at the game logs and educate yourself.

From 2005-06

Kippersoft:
Oct. 9 7.50 0.861
Oct 10 7.01 .829
Oct. 13 2.81 .864

He always starts slow each year.

Yup, really bouncing back there eh.

Dec. 19 5.04 .844
Dec. 21 4.03 .765
Dec. 23 4.65 .865

Ah yeah, I remember those days. The injury-deleted blueline and retarded play of the d-men infront of him. A rare blip.

And

Mar 12 3.00 .880
Mar 13 3.00 .897
Mar 16 2.86 .893

You much be pretty desperate if you think these numbers constitute a slump.

Or how about this season:

Dec. 26 3.00 .893
Dec. 27 5.74 .750
Dec. 29 4.00 .889

Do notice the trend. Do notice how he doesn't bounce back, but instead goes on three game slumps.

If you actually watched the game, you'd be hard pressed to say Kiprusoff is in a slump. He was actually very good last game in particular with lots of very, very good saves. The team infront of him stopped playing in the last 5 minutes with some really hilarious defensive lapses that trashed his stats, for example.

You claim I don't watch hockey even though you have no idea about how much hockey I watch.

Yes, I do. It's quite clear that you VERY rarely watch Kiprusoff play, which explains why you're so out to lunch about his play.

You claim that I think McCabe should win the Norris, when I have never said that.

That was a joke on my part, since you like McCabe so much and value offensive numbers so much...

You claim that I said Kippersoft was a flash in the pan when I never said that.

Enough with the bullsh!t

You sure as hell did. You even defended that recently before NOW denying you ever said it. Others on here surely will recall it as well, as it was a ridiculous comment then as it is now.

You're such a liar...

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Bullsh1t. Post some links of respected hockey writers (i.e. not the blogger) who said the deal was bad.

James Mirtle's take on it here: http://mirtle.blogspot.com/2006/07/u...ofts-deal.html

took me all of 2 seconds to google and find lots of articles calling the trade bad. Mirtle even goes on to speculate it could cost JFJ his job.

The Leaf's needed a no.1 goalie this season. Given what was on the market, Raycroft was the best out there.

Yeah, you're right. If only there were goaltenders like Biron that could be acquired.

Luongo would have been nice, but Florida would not have taken Rusk for him.

His name is Rask, not Rusk.

Khalibulin's salary was too expensive. Legace was out there, but he's never been a no. 1 goalie.

Given the choices, the Raycroft deal was the best available.

Raycroft was the worst NHL starting goalie last season. Best deal available?

Legace had a .915 save percentage and a 37-8-3 record last season. Raycroft was the NHL's worst starting goaltender. Yeah, best deal available...

There is no downward trend in his stats. His numbers are up and down. That's part of the problem. The other being the Leaf injuries which have crippled the team throughout the season.

I don't see you making excuses for Kiprusoff when during his "slump" 3 of the 6 d-men infront of him were from the AHL.

In all fairness to Raycroft, I don't think any goalie could get decent stats on a team with so many injuries. Not even your idol could handle the pressure Raycrofts been under.

Again, the Flames have had tons of injuries as well. 6 regulars have been out as recently as last week, including half of our defense and our best two defensive forwards. Kiprusoff still played well in general, but you -- being a Leafs homer -- had no idea about the situation.

[Drake Tungsten]

If you read these hockey theads on a regular basis

Why would I do that? I don't care about hockey. Don't think I've ever watched an entire game of the sport.

And why are you injecting your idiocy in a thread about a sport of which are ignorant.

I could ask the same about you. I'm admittedly ignorant on the sport. However, I do know enough to know that someone who is...

A. From Hong Kong

and

B. A Leafs fan

... is just as ignorant about hockey as I am. Hence the surprise on my part that you would even try to argue with Asher, who lives in Canada and certainly knows what he is talking about.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Hence the surprise on my part that you would even try to argue with Asher, who lives in Canada and certainly knows what he is talking about.

How can you tell if you don't know the sport?

Oh, and basing an opinion on someone working overseas doesn't seem too bright. How could someone living in Japan know anything about American college football?

[Drake Tungsten]

How can you tell if you don't know the sport?

Asher is a very well-informed individual, generally. If you disagreed with him, I might take it seriously given that you're also a Canadian, but I see no reason to think a person in Asia is better informed about hockey than Asher...

Oh, and basing an opinion on someone working overseas doesn't seem too bright. How could someone living in Japan know anything about American college football?

I don't live in Japan anymore. While I lived in Japan, however, I didn't have much of an idea of what was going on in college football. It's nearly impossible to stay informed on a sport when you can't watch the games.

[Zopperoni]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
It's nearly impossible to stay informed on a sport when you can't watch the games.

Mmm, I did pretty well in fantasy football and pick 'ems without actually watching a game. I will admit that it helps to actually watch a game, and it's more fun. NFL is easier as well since there are fewer games...

[Drake Tungsten]

It's also easier to tell how teams are playing based just on the stats than it is to tell how individual players are performing.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

How can you tell if you don't know the sport?

Asher is a very well-informed individual, generally. If you disagreed with him, I might take it seriously given that you're also a Canadian, but I see no reason to think a person in Asia is better informed about hockey than Asher...

You can watch NHL games and highlights over the internet. Tingkai has also mentioned ex-pat bars where taped or satellite games are shown. I think he's pretty serious about hockey if he is managing to find a way to play the game while in Hong Kong, so I can't discount the possibility that he is watching games.

And I do disagree with Asher about a lot of stuff in this thread, but I choose not to waste my time. Both he and Tingkai are prone to adopt... less than well considered positions... for the sake of slagging off each others teams.

[Drake Tungsten]

Both he and Tingkai are prone to adopt... less than well considered positions... for the sake of slagging off each others teams.

I can see Tingkai doing this, but Asher? Come on...

[joncha]

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
And I do disagree with Asher about a lot of stuff in this thread, but I choose not to waste my time.

Thank God.

I felt blessed no one had mentioned "Roloson" in this thread so far. It would kill me to see him ranked in the top 5 from anyone's list.

[Tingkai]

Aw, ain't that cute. Asher has got himself a puck bunny.