Rank Today's Hockey Goaltenders, Top 5

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Flubber
Season Team GP MIN W L GA SA SO GA Avg SV %
2001-2002 Sharks 1 7 0 0 0 2 0 0.00 1.000

Originally posted by Flubber
1. Kipper-- consistency personified
2. Brodeur-- dead-heatish but I am not appointing joint no. 1s
3. Huet-- largely on this season
4. Giguere-- I remember his great year and forgive one bad playoff stint
5. Hasek* just casue I can't leave him out. He would be #3 except that I don't trust him to be there when the team needs him. I just don't believe a GM would give up Huet or Giguere for him and frankly I have my doubts that the GMs with the next 5 or 6 best goalies would either ( but some of that is thoughts of next year which I am trying to discount)

Dead heat between Kippersoft and the great Brodeur? Only if you ignore how great Brodeur has been playing this year and his stellar playoff record, one that is far superior to Kippersoft on every level.

As for Giguere, he was injured last year and he played injured in the playoffs. So those stats do not reflect his true ability.

Kippersoft is nowhere close to the greatness of Brodeur.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
Telqvist shuts out Anaheim.

Again, Tyson Nash for Telqvist was a fleecing.

The way you talk, you would trade Iginila for Tellqvist.

Fact is that Tellqvist had lots of chances to prove himself in Toronto, but was never able to play consistently. Last year, he was 3.13 GAA and .895. Aubin was 2.22 GAA and .924.

Of course, you would keep Tellqvist over Aubin, which would make you perfect for the Flames organization, where they have problems recognizing great goalies.

Only the Flames would give away a goalie like Giguere for a just draft choice. Talk about a fleecing. That's got to be one of the classic dumbest trades ever.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Kippersoft is sure playing consistently these days, consistently bad. Six games in a row with a +3.00 GAA.

Yeah, on his bad days his GAA edges above 3.

On Brodeur's bad days he hits what, 74% svp and 7/8 GAA. Those bad days occur more often, too.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai

The way you talk, you would trade Iginila for Tellqvist.

Fact is that Tellqvist had lots of chances to prove himself in Toronto, but was never able to play consistently. Last year, he was 3.13 GAA and .895. Aubin was 2.22 GAA and .924.

Of course, you would keep Tellqvist over Aubin, which would make you perfect for the Flames organization, where they have problems recognizing great goalies.

Yeah, look at Sutter's track record.

Getting rid of winners like Turek, Sauve, and Boucher for losers like Kiprusoff.

Meanwhile, the Leafs are well known for picking up great goaltenders. Look at Aubin and Raycroft, they're a regular Toskala/Nabokov duo! They even gave away a gem like Rask for the privilege of Raycroft, who has been consistently asstastic all season, and is actually getting worse.

I would never trade Iginla for Telqvist. I'm just saying the Leafs really just gave him away for free, which is a fleecing. They could have gotten more, like even a fourth line forward...

PS: The Leland Irving kid the Flames chose in the 2006 draft continues to show how they have no eye for goaltenders. Top goaltender in the WHL with a 94% svp and 1.55 GAA through 23 games (19-3-1 record).

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Yeah, on his bad days his GAA edges above 3.

On Brodeur's bad days he hits what, 74% svp and 7/8 GAA. Those bad days occur more often, too.

dude, only a fool would try to claim Brodeur is a crap goalie.

Look at Broduer's stats: 20 wins, 2.15 GAA, 0.923 SA%, 5 SO. Those are the numbers of a great goalie.

The difference between great goalies like Brodeur and guys like Kippersoft, is that Brodeur bounces back from bad games, usually with a great game (In October, he had two shutouts after two bad games).

Guys like Kippersoft just get stuck in a rut, playing poorly game after game.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

They even gave away a gem like Rask for the privilege of Raycroft.

At least the Leafs got a goalie for the kid. The Flames basically got nothing Giguere. Calgary gave away a top-five goalie for nada.

The Leafs, meanwhile, needed a goalie this season, so had to give up a prospect, but the Leafs have Pogge so it was not much of a sacrifice to get Raycroft.

Mind you, I'm not happy with the way Raycroft is playing. He's needs to step up his play massively to reach the standards set by the great Leaf goalies like Bower, Plante, Palmateer, Potvin, Cujo, and Belfour.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Kippersoft is nowhere close to the greatness of Brodeur.

On a historical basis . . .i.e. if both careers ended today and we had to assess them on a best of all-time list . . . . I agree. Kipper has not been around anywhere near long enough to have the long pedigree of a Brodeur.


But I was assessing which I would want as my goalie if it were just to finish this season with my playoff contender team (if you look longer term, the younger golaie would have more of an edge). I chose Kipper. AS of today I still do. However, as I said before it was very very very close for me so if Brodeur were to outplay Kipper for the next few weeks I could easily flip my choices.

It can be that fickle if the criteria is the top goalie RIGHT NOW.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
dude, only a fool would try to claim Brodeur is a crap goalie.

This is the second time you tried this strawman. I said Brodeur is "stellar" -- "stellar" does not mean "crap".

The difference between great goalies like Brodeur and guys like Kippersoft, is that Brodeur bounces back from bad games, usually with a great game (In October, he had two shutouts after two bad games).

Guys like Kippersoft just get stuck in a rut, playing poorly game after game.

You clearly don't watch enough hockey. This is the first "rut" I've ever seen Kiprusoff in.

Actually, in 03-04 and 05-06, if you looked at the game logs, Kiprusoff had insane statistics after a bad game. If you watched hockey, you would know this. Commentators frequently commend Kiprusoff's ability to bounce back from a bad goal or a bad game. In fact, they just talked about it again on Saturday night if you actually, again, watched hockey...

That's what makes the arguments with you so fun. They're nothing but strawmen and ignorance.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
At least the Leafs got a goalie for the kid. The Flames basically got nothing Giguere. Calgary gave away a top-five goalie for nada.

To be fair, you also need to note that we traded Trevor Kidd to get Giguere in the first place.

The Flames management was awful in the late 90s. I've frequently ranted about this, so I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish. I strongly recommend you live in the NOW, where the Leafs are awful, the Leafs goaltending is awful, the Leafs defense is awful, and it's been 40 years since you won a cup. Also, Calgary is known for spectacular goaltending right now while Toronto is known for being an easy way to inflate your points.

The Leafs, meanwhile, needed a goalie this season, so had to give up a prospect, but the Leafs have Pogge so it was not much of a sacrifice to get Raycroft.

It was a retarded trade, though. Most people said so outside of Toronto when it happened, while the Toronto press praised how great Raycroft was in his rookie season, everyone else rolled on the floor laughing 'cause Raycroft can't handle the pressures of being a #1 goalie in the NHL.

Look at his stats. It's a remarkably downward trend in stats since the start of the season. That takes talent, picking a goalie like that for one of the top goalie prospects in the game.

[Asher]

For what it's worth, if Calgary held on to Giguere we'd likely not have Kiprusoff. And I'd take Kiprusoff over Giguere any day, as would pretty much anyone but you.

[Asher]

Another stellar night for goaltending in Toronto.

If only they had another goalie they could call on to shake things up, since their 2 main goalies are AHL-calibre.

[Tingkai]

I've watched more hockey than you've ever seen, and I still watch hockey so spare us that little strawman.

Kippersoft does not have "insane numbers" after a bad game.

As for the rut, get used to it.

You guys have overrated Kippersoft.

Broduer is the best goalie in the league, the goalie who consistently steals games for his team and the goalie who delivers when the chips are done.

[Drake Tungsten]

Why the hell is a guy from Hong Kong trying to lecture a Canadian on hockey?

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai
Kippersoft does not have "insane numbers" after a bad game.

As for the rut, get used to it.

You've set yourself up so easily to get dismissed with comments like this. Take 2-3 minutes to look at the game logs and educate yourself.

From 03-04:

Nov 27: 5.78 GAA, .750 svp
Following 4 games were all 1.00 GAA, > .950 svp

Dec 9th: 2.00 GAA, .895 svp
Following game a shutout, followed by 4 games > 0.940 svp

Mar 5th: 5.00 GAA, .853 svp
Following games 1.00 GAA, ~.960 svp

Apr 7th: 5.06 GAA, .773 svp
Following game 1.01 GAA, .962 svp

etc

Looks to me you are way off, as usual. Kiprusoff is certainly very able to bounce back from a bad game, as well as a bad goal. It's one of his best tendencies and something that really stands out about him. If you look at his history, it's VERY obvious to be true.

You're nothing but a Leafs homer that knows nothing outside of the Kingdom of TO, and it shows on here. So do us all a favor and just keep telling us about McCabe's Norris candidacy and stop talkin' about anything else.

It's very clear you haven't watched much NHL hockey the past couple years.

You also dismissed Kiprusoff as a goalie that couldn't handle himself in the playoffs compared to goaltenders like Brodeur (prior to the playoff run), then you dismissed him as a flash in the pan (prior to winning the Vezina the following season), and now you're dismissing him on grounds that are clearly absurd (that he's prone to ruts and can't bounce back from a bad game?). You were way off to begin with.

So man up and recognize you've either no eye for goaltenders or you don't watch non-Leafs hockey games. I'm willing to bet both are true.

Brodeur's a damn fine goalie, but he's not the best in the league anymore. It's fine that you don't believe me, but just notice who won the Vezina trophy last year: hint, it wasn't Brodeur. The fact that you won't rank a Vezina winner in your top 5 for goaltenders is very telling...

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Most people said so outside of Toronto when it happened, while the Toronto press praised how great Raycroft was in his rookie season, everyone else rolled on the floor laughing 'cause Raycroft can't handle the pressures of being a #1 goalie in the NHL.

Bullsh1t. Post some links of respected hockey writers (i.e. not the blogger) who said the deal was bad.

The Leaf's needed a no.1 goalie this season. Given what was on the market, Raycroft was the best out there. Luongo would have been nice, but Florida would not have taken Rusk for him. Khalibulin's salary was too expensive. Legace was out there, but he's never been a no. 1 goalie.

Given the choices, the Raycroft deal was the best available.

And if he obviously can handle the pressure of being the #1 goalie because he was the Bruins' #1 goalie in his rookie year. There is no downward trend in his stats. His numbers are up and down. That's part of the problem. The other being the Leaf injuries which have crippled the team throughout the season.


In all fairness to Raycroft, I don't think any goalie could get decent stats on a team with so many injuries. Not even your idol could handle the pressure Raycrofts been under.